Celves aren't delves

What are you basing this on? Realism, or balance, or what? On earth, tribals are more stronger and more agile then city dwelling folk. Same species

I played a few celves. Granted, they could use some extra perks. But not anywhere near the amount delves get, that will be crazy. Already plenty of people pick dwarves with a pretty weak focus and almost near no personality, just to get some awesome strength and endurance stats.

There were Red Fangs, with delven stats and no tribe laws to keep them limited to the same territory. Results? The tribe fucking ruled the game for a little bit. Literally could make any tribe fear to show their noses or wear their uniforms outside the city walls. Organized a whole magickal group to serve their bidding and so on.

I always thought it made perfect sense.

UK trains their troops in the mountains of scotland. Because the environment there is so harsh, it is perfect training ground for hardy, durable people. It stands to reason that people who grew up there all their lives, 'are' hardy and durable.

There is a youtube post about some tribe in africa, which chase their prey for days, until it collapses from exhaustion, and only then kill it. And that is about people that live 'now', on earth. Make a city dweller run after an animal for 3 days straight, let's see what happens.

There are numerous real life examples of how environment changes people. In the city, it helps develop one set of traits, in the wilderness, another. There are numerous movies, of how some wilderness person ends up in an city and how oddly agile he is compared to city dwellers, better hearing, better eyesight, this, that ... real good with using a fork to stab someone's eye out and skin a zoo animal, but mostly used the hands to eat with.

Most of that is an exaggeration though, but the concept is very familiar to people and at least in some ways close to truth. Environment shapes people. And if you add natural selection to it, the shaping is even more profound.

In the cities, elves who cannot run fast 'can' survive and prosper. In fact, many of my city elves only ran when they screwed up something. It's a sign of failure. When my elves dont fail, nobody even sees them coming or leaving, or they're in such fear or love, my elves just sit there out in the open, smoking spice. In the wilds, if you cannot run fast, you will not survive. And if you do manage to survive, you will have to be somehow exceptional and great in everything else, for any female to even consider a possibility of birthing your child.

Humans and Elves are driven into an exact opposite directions. There are tribal humans out there as well. But the moment they've got successful enough and large enough, they've went ahead and built themselves a city. Surrounded themselves by walls and stopped being tribals.

Elven tribes come to the cities in time of 'weakness'. When the tribe that is now part of jaxa pah got nearly entirely wiped out by Sun Runners, they escaped into the cities to hide out and survive. I cant speak for Akai Sjir, because they seem to have been psionically fucked with, so we got a bit of deus ex machina going there. But for the most part, any elven tribe that moved from wilderness into the city, did so because it could not survive in the wilderness. They are genetically weak, compared to the tribes that endure the wild to this day.

Anyway, this is how I see it. I've never read or played anything Darksun.

Why would they develop it? They ride animals, wagons, and silt skimmers. Hell. Pretty much every human tribe out there has a little or a lot of animal husbandry mastery going for them.

The only animal husbandry elves got is milking humans.

Why would elves develop it then? That's a silly supposition to say one race develops it while another doesn't. If elves are genetically predisposed to their running that is fine, but if there is one elf race then they should both be able to run.

Also city elves do get 0 movement loss in some city rooms like the bazaar which makes no sense. They originally had it coded to be one race and changed it for some reason.

"Anyway, this is how I see it. I've never read or played anything Darksun."

Exactly the problem. You don't understand the source material, the only thing you know is the rationale of staff members that either didn't know or care about the source material for the race they had in play. All you've done is regurgitate the "why there are city and desert people" lines we've all read in the GDB or in documentation, with pure speculation to back up the race split.

There's a tribe with some hunters that chase down prey to exhaustion in the lands of africa, sure. There's also city-dwelling marathon runners. Including one particular man (Dean Karnazes) who, if fed and watered enough. Could run forever.

There are strong, hardy wilderness people. There are those that aren't, too, same as in the city. The capability of humans to do certain innate physical things isn't diminished just because they live in a city. If running comes as naturally as breathing to you, it realistically wouldn't take very long at all to be a strong distance runner even if you were used to a more sedentary lifestyle.

Essentially, Delerak is correct in that it should be one race, with relatively equal capability but the sad fact is that they (read: staff) don't tend to give a rat's ass about elven race equality the way they've fucked the race for years. Only in recent memory has there even been city-elf clans opened so that c-elves didn't have to suffer the brutal stamina-rape of desert travel to have fun in the only clans that would take them until the Sjir and Jaxa came along.

Besides arguing about the stamina difference, c-elves are just at such a huge disadvantage code-wise thanks to the one-sided combat code that prioritizes strength over everything else. On top of that, the odds are stacked against them ICly because they can't ride (and can't run to compensate), leaving them able to survive as a hated minority in the only major cities that are run by humans.

You can play the 'b-b-b-but the roleplaying experience!' card all you want, but it only goes so far in a game that features permanent death that can come through one coded slip-up and destroy a 40+ day character.