An uncomfortable discussion about rape in Arm

then why is sexism given absolute removal ?

it is pointless to claim genders are equal in all ways as this is not reflected by players. i do not see doormat men only women. i do not see weak and submissive in men only women. it is always men on offense and women making nests. these are views from spying on many chars and true in both big cities.

it does not seem correct for a man or woman to be noted on account for sexism but bloodied anal violations of young women is tolerable.

from seeing various things it is my view that the enthusiasm for exploring these unconcentual encounters is disturbing.

i question sincerely the state of the mind that wants to type in full:



i have removed all not essential aspects and protected the short descriptions of people. please explain how this is fully accepted but a man having poor opinion of women for ingame reasons gives account notes ?

the girl in this instance was ((claiming)) to be 13 and had a main description explaining her to look as a preteen girl. flat chest skinny limbs innocent eyes. i would be suggesting she looked 9-10 years and cute as a buttons.

sexism is not ok even for good in char reasons but THAT is normal and in reason ? i do not reconcile how persons of good moral standing would want to explore these things without perversion. i am never without surprise as to what players of this game will say to justify things of an unacceptable nature. it is very very common for these scenes to happen in tuluk and lesser but still in allanak.

i am very open minded and enjoy the brutality of the fantasy world. these shows give me the thought it is allowing people to live their dark perversions in a place that will accept it readily. it is an uncomfortable thought that people would take recreational pleasure in pretending to rape a young girl until her butt bleeds and than torture and murdering her.

if it is acceptable then we are too accepting.

if we can force chars to be nonsexist we can force chars not to inflict bloodied anal rammings onto young girls and boys.

willingness to pretend gender roles are abolished but open accepting and defense of rape//pedophila//both, murder and torture of children speaks of defects in our game community. its is the enthusiasm for participating and defending and encouraging these things that is troubling for me.

do not tell me 13 is adult for the game world either unless we are going to stop allowing the description of these chars as children. it is no less wrong than hentai studio saying 'all girls are 18' and having them shown // acting // being in every way young and subject to dark perversions.

the reasoning behind out of sense tolerances is a bafflement for me.

it is very frustrating to explain without falling over these words.

the offense is that it is supported and that it is tolerated, that regardless of consent these things that would break the hearts of nations and destroy lives in our world are treated as topics of entertainment. from the website humans live to the same age of people from our world about twenty or thirty years past.

my fear of this is that we all as people are becoming accustomed and accepting of these terrible things as humor and entertainment. to have a community of intelligent people argue that these things are fine for fun is upsetting to me as a man and as a parent. i do not savor the ideas of people whom i can enjoy a game with could entertain gruesome scenes against youngsters, even if it is in fiction.

when you speak of 13-15 being adult, i do understand the meaning of the words. i would be suggesting you read carefully what i have said. if it is to be considered adult and grown, should these characters not appear grown ? this is an adult by our game standard, but acts, looks and is otherwise treated as a child in game. i see these characters spoken to and adopted as children.

i have seen many many many of these characters act the part of youngsters and be treated as lolita.

what i would like to establish is that if this low age is to be mature for our games people by way of adaptation to low survival rates they should _also look and behave in a manner that makes this a belief_. in my own eyes it is no different than to say there is no sexism.

there is sexism. it is evident in most all in game relations between men and women, the real world standards. it is said on the site as a comfort for people who do not want to suffer discrimination. i am understanding this, where i am having my origin it is very common for discrimination and oppression of females to happen. i have sisters who are forced into unwanted marriage by our parents or suffer indignity and poor compensation for superior work. i know.

i know to have seen templars who speak easy of the useless women or how they are good for only sexing. sponsored rules, supported by staffs and to be example of good play.

the line on the website is false comfort as it does not face enforcement. it does look good for the reading though right ?

the documents say these young ages are adults. but they behave as children, described as children ((sometimes VERY young children)) and are treated by many characters in the game AS children. yet because the document says they are adult, they are subject to many terrible things by people that seem eager, TOO eager, to play these wretched things out.

if they are to be adult, staff should enforce them to be looking and behaving as adult. they will not for the same reasoning as they do not punish sexism. the assertions on the website exist for legal protection and so as to justify players behaving in revolting ways. the words are selfish lies.

there should not need to be a running to staff if people do not ask 'is it okay for us to play out the brutalize rape of your char'. it should not be a rule to be avoided or used as an excuse. we should not be people who sit in front of our computers and type things that would horrify our families if they were to find out we had done it.

would you talk to your friend at work about your day off, 'i played out a raping and murder scene. my elf violated a young girl for stealing from his tribe, it was fun, but its ok the website said she was an adult' ?

if you would be ashamed to speak of it in a social place... why would you be happy with your part, or others part, in such a thing, because you are behind a screen ?

it is easy to be justified on the internet, to do and say and behave in ways that are less than human. or too human if looked at from another point of perspective. if you have genuine believe that it is good and morally sound to do such things, call a friend and talk about armageddonMUD and the things that are played.

have a discussion with your spouse. then have one with a coworker. then have one with a stranger.

discuss the points i have made and others have made in counter. see the results. tell me if you feel adding empty clauses on a website makes it less repugnant to others who are not within our community of players.

i know none will do this. there is not enough courage to invoke in the world for someone to commit social suicide in the attempt of defending these things to other people, face to face. that is the point. there should be no need for consent rules. my unwanted arguments here should not have to exist.

we should not as people find humors and entertainment in the things of such terrible nature.

when i look at my child and am confronted with the knowing there are people who could be my friends, who i could invite into my home to talk of our shared interest in a rich game as we have dinner with my family, that would argue in the favor of terrible acts as these, even in fiction. it is a moment of horror for me.

we are truly a species in decay.

In order to further address those concerns the terms boy and girl were no longer made available to players. Thus I will say it again there are no children PC in game, perhaps bad rolepayers but every PC is considered an adult. However at the end of the day it just comes down to this:

This is just a game. There is a big difference between a game and real life.

Again the themes in this game have mature content mature much like many television series, books and movies out there. I am neither a hero nor a villian in real life, but I sometimes play them in games for entertainment. I can because I know no one is getting hurt, it all fiction and everyone involved is having fun. It is not real life and I don't believe what happens in roleplaying text game will effect your behavior in real life.

I've heard your arguements before in particular when it comes to the grand theft auto series which is another controversial game. Alot of people play that as well though.

At least I made it in before Godwin's law was invoked.

tl;dr the thread itself (will go back and read it)

Here's my two sids:

I've had a couple pcs of mine raped. I've had a female pc of mine rape a male pc (Validos Fale, the templar). If you don't want it to happen, don't consent for it to happen. Unlike the rules with regards to torture and faded sex scenes, if you don't consent, as a player, for your pc to be raped, they can't/won't be raped. In fact, if the person didn't get banned, there's a very good chance (I would say damn near a certainty) that they got consent prior to when you got there.

I've never played muds that censor language, or sexual content, or even violence, wholesale. Because it makes them feel unrealistic. I understand someone not wanting to have their pc be raped... and if they don't want that, the person who would theoretically be doing the raping is obligated not to pursue the scene. And if they pursue it regardless, then quit out and turn in a player complaint. Runlogs will be done, and that person will be banned for 30 days minimum, if not permanently.

And, risking going right into TMI (too much information) territory... this comes from someone who hasn't been raped, no, but has been molested on multiple occasions by multiple people. And my pcs, when I was still playing, would always give blanket consent when anything that required it came up, to sexually graphic content, torture, and rape, alike. It's not because I get/got off on it, it's because, to me, being able to avoid something IC for OOC consideration makes little sense, and I get that there are people who don't want to play a rape survivor... if it was me, I would let it happen anyhow, and simply store the character if coping became too much to deal with.

As to the 'child' of '9-10'... I don't know what game they're playing, but there are no 9 or 10 year old pcs in arm. Period. You start at 13, and 13 is considered an adult.

this is an ironic way for my point to establish.

yes. by document 13 is an adult in the same way child soldiers in congo are. that is how i would see them when i started playing the game. this is not how it becomes played out in the game. people create nubile child sex chars with clear intent, described in detail to appear as preteen and then proceed to look for // find themselves in situations that are intolerable ((or should be)). this is the core of my dissatisfaction. if they are to be adults, they must appear and behave as adults instead of pedophile fantasy toys.

i had a long response to many posts but it was lost to me because of rebellions cat. she is adorable to me, so i have forgiven her and will give her pats later.

bobo has worded many of my points in a way that is more sensible than my broken words and i am thankful.

jkarr: you make strong worded response, even insulting with in such a serious discussion. you however do not make any valid counter argument or dissect the points brought against your point of view. to me, your haughty condescension is empty and without merit. repost and address the points made in discussion, or remain irrelevant.

anaiah: i am sorry you suffered molestation. it is a show of strength to join such a discussion even with wounds as those. i am sincere in my apologies if this is an uncomfortable topic, but as man and father, it is a point of trouble. i enjoy the game greatly but as worded by bobo 'loli sex bait children' chars and their subsequent treatment invokes dissatisfaction.

IT IS JUST A GAME: a game involves enjoyment. enjoyment should not come from pretending to rape and molest a crying youngster.

13 IS ADULT: if 13 is adult, adult should be enforced on a staff level. if a char looks 9 and acts 9 and is treated 9 by those around him//her, the char is 9, no matter what it says in SCORE or what the website says is adult. as stands now, these chars are created and treated to perversion, i suspect to the enjoyment of immoral players. this should not be acceptable to sensible people.

YOU WANT PG 13: this is laughable. i enjoy terminator movies and as other discussions will show, i am killing many chars, so i am not against MURDER CORRUPTION BETRAYAL. i enjoy thief roles and spies. i enjoy the brutal harshness and the honesty that comes with lower class chars. i would not play a pg 13 game. i do not however want XXX pedo rape torture game. i do not feel it is beyond reason.

it is crude and short, but i must go pat the cat as i yelled very loudly at her. she will hold out for dried shrimp and i will cave in. it is the price of my lost temper.