krathi
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Post by krathi on Oct 12, 2016 12:41:59 GMT -5
Well, I was permanently banned from the GDB........for.......posting things some people/certain staff don't agree with on a personal level....... (Edited to Add: There is no copy of the original message I was sent when I was banned explaining why....because one doesn't exist. They couldn't explain why....I just went to login and couldn't and never got a single explanation.) If you care to see why, you can see it here: LINK it's all still there, every post, because nothing I posted even garnered enough merit in terms of "being against the rules" to even be edited out/moderated. I sent in a request asking to be un-banned since nothing I posted was against the rules, obviously. It was an unpopular opinion/truth, sure, but not against the rules. The fact it is still there un-moderated in any form days later and other people are still talking about it says everything. The response I got was: Declined by Nessalin
2016-10-11 09:46:38PM (1 days ago)
AccountName,
Nothing here we haven't heard before and nothing we could say that you haven't, either.
We can explain it to you but we cannot understand it for you.
Nessalin
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Armageddon StaffWhich is a huge non-answer in the face of a lack of an answer (and a thinly veiled childish insult to the tune of "you are a stupid head and I don't like you"). How do you explain in any professional manner, "Well, some of us didn't like your opinion personally, and even though it isn't against the rules, we are going to take this opportunity to push our personal social agenda and abuse our power.". You really can't, so I can't blame them for not giving me an answer. I wouldn't want to answer to that either if I planned to save face. I was banned in a knee-jerk reaction based on personal emotions and feelings. If I were to be un-banned it would only substantiate that. So....there was never any chance I was going to be un-banned, to un-ban me would be admitting their failure. Either way. This is the only place you can really post this sort of thing, and this sort of thing needs to be made public. I was just ousted from that community after all of these years for having an unpopular opinion, not breaking a rule, and nothing more. I was kicked out because, "You believe things we don't believe, and if you don't believe what we believe, you don't belong.". It's ironic my only point was, "I don't feel that playing the thought police and censoring people's private sense of humor should be a thing.", and I was actually banned basically by said thought police. Fair enough then. If that's the sort of community it's going to be these days, I agree with you that there's certainly not a place there for me on those forums. I'll just continue to be a great player, when I feel like playing, and carry on. (I'm not here to get any opinions on this really. Feel free to leave an opinion if you like but I may not respond. I'm just posting this up because this is the only outlet in which to post it, and I feel this was an abuse of power. That sort of thing needs to be seen publicly. If nobody ever sees this sort of thing, then nothing can ever change for the better.) It's about time. You've always been one of the creepiest GDB personalities.
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Post by desertman on Oct 12, 2016 12:50:13 GMT -5
Well, I was permanently banned from the GDB........for.......posting things some people/certain staff don't agree with on a personal level....... (Edited to Add: There is no copy of the original message I was sent when I was banned explaining why....because one doesn't exist. They couldn't explain why....I just went to login and couldn't and never got a single explanation.) If you care to see why, you can see it here: LINK it's all still there, every post, because nothing I posted even garnered enough merit in terms of "being against the rules" to even be edited out/moderated. I sent in a request asking to be un-banned since nothing I posted was against the rules, obviously. It was an unpopular opinion/truth, sure, but not against the rules. The fact it is still there un-moderated in any form days later and other people are still talking about it says everything. The response I got was: Declined by Nessalin
2016-10-11 09:46:38PM (1 days ago)
AccountName,
Nothing here we haven't heard before and nothing we could say that you haven't, either.
We can explain it to you but we cannot understand it for you.
Nessalin
Producer
Armageddon StaffWhich is a huge non-answer in the face of a lack of an answer (and a thinly veiled childish insult to the tune of "you are a stupid head and I don't like you"). How do you explain in any professional manner, "Well, some of us didn't like your opinion personally, and even though it isn't against the rules, we are going to take this opportunity to push our personal social agenda and abuse our power.". You really can't, so I can't blame them for not giving me an answer. I wouldn't want to answer to that either if I planned to save face. I was banned in a knee-jerk reaction based on personal emotions and feelings. If I were to be un-banned it would only substantiate that. So....there was never any chance I was going to be un-banned, to un-ban me would be admitting their failure. Either way. This is the only place you can really post this sort of thing, and this sort of thing needs to be made public. I was just ousted from that community after all of these years for having an unpopular opinion, not breaking a rule, and nothing more. I was kicked out because, "You believe things we don't believe, and if you don't believe what we believe, you don't belong.". It's ironic my only point was, "I don't feel that playing the thought police and censoring people's private sense of humor should be a thing.", and I was actually banned basically by said thought police. Fair enough then. If that's the sort of community it's going to be these days, I agree with you that there's certainly not a place there for me on those forums. I'll just continue to be a great player, when I feel like playing, and carry on. (I'm not here to get any opinions on this really. Feel free to leave an opinion if you like but I may not respond. I'm just posting this up because this is the only outlet in which to post it, and I feel this was an abuse of power. That sort of thing needs to be seen publicly. If nobody ever sees this sort of thing, then nothing can ever change for the better.) It's about time. You've always been one of the creepiest GDB personalities. *eyeroll*
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Oct 12, 2016 13:18:18 GMT -5
Well, I was permanently banned from the GDB........for.......posting things some people/certain staff don't agree with on a personal level....... fair to say now they have no fucking room to pretend that theyre anything remotely close to an impartial ooc forum, its just another way for ness to project his own shit onto ppl who disagree with him on his game and forum like he always has the way he treated dman is par for the course for anyone old enough to remember when they didnt even try to seem unbiased with their kneejerk pkills and bans, the only difference now is that its suddenly a bannable offense for an opionated vet to share an unpopular opinion abt ooc shit that has nothing at all to do with the game lolol aparently the game is also hemoraging players badly (ive heard the numbers are even lower than before. election season, right? ) and meanwhile old nessie just keeps whiteknuckling the rope that is stringing his game up
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Oct 12, 2016 13:25:19 GMT -5
It's about time. You've always been one of the creepiest GDB personalities. lol yeah sure because its the creepiest ones that u make a pt of following onto other forums to find and talk to directly amirite
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Post by desertman on Oct 12, 2016 13:29:01 GMT -5
It's about time. You've always been one of the creepiest GDB personalities. lol yeah sure because its the creepiest ones that u make a pt of following onto other forums to find and talk to directly amirite Don't feed them please. I always expect at least a few of them if I post something. The worst thing you can do is feed them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 15:13:33 GMT -5
It's about time. You've always been one of the creepiest GDB personalities. I mean... You have six posts counted under your portrait and one of them was to say that. ... *mic drop*
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 15:43:25 GMT -5
Well, I was permanently banned from the GDB........for.......posting things some people/certain staff don't agree with on a personal level....... If you care to see why, you can see it here: LINK it's all still there, every post, because nothing I posted even garnered enough merit in terms of "being against the rules" to even be edited out/moderated. I sent in a request asking to be un-banned since nothing I posted was against the rules, obviously. It was an unpopular opinion/truth, sure, but not against the rules. The fact it is still there un-moderated in any form days later and other people are still talking about it says everything. Geeze. Yeah, there are folks who do get moderated - and will continue to in the future - who will never get (permanently) banned due to being in the 'in' crowd. *cough* mal *cough* I do have some opinions about what you posted over there. I'll start by saying that hanging around folks who make consistent sexist/racist remarks makes me very uncomfortable, at the very least, regardless of context. Racism is pretty rare this far north though. And I'm pretty young. I can see someone being older (thirties, forties, etc. I think each generation gets a touch less racist/sexist) and living down south having to put up with people talking like that. A lot of the country is racist/sexist, and that comes across more in some situations. So is it fair to say that Donald Trump is some kind of normal for saying racist or sexist things? In some parts of America, probably. Texas comes to mind. I mean I don't exactly see eye to eye with you, but I hardly think that expressing that thought should be a bannable. You're probably accurately representing the area that you're in. People there will say stupid shit like Trump, and you're going to have a good time with the friends you can have opposed to punching someone in the face every time you hear something stupid - in your case, a lot. So you could see yourself having a laugh with Trump because, being accustomed to said bigotry/whatever, it's not a criteria that's realistic for you to use when seeking company. It makes him seem normal because it's normal there. I can see that. Some parts of America are much more racist/sexist than others. Maybe you're close to a few baptist churches lol. It hasn't been my experience that it's normal everywhere for the guys to say racist/sexist things while having a good time. That sucks that it is there. I actually think Trump says some stuff like that to a) get media attention and b) to get votes of a large portion of our country that is sexist/racist/etc. He has a huge marketing team, money behind it, and has been planning this for years. He's being advised on walking the narrow line between getting the votes of said demographic and not getting the votes of all other republicans. That said, it takes a certain amount of legitimate racism, I think, to be willing to use it as a marketing strategy. So he's not off the hook. Definitely misogynistic too, but I think that loses focus with racism in sight. And to anyone who would say that he's obviously a racist/sexist bigot to all, I assure you that there are Republicans voting for him that do not think so. My mother is one ("Being obnoxious isn't a crime," best reason to vote for a president I'm sure). Apparently, he's walking that line to some success.
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Oct 12, 2016 23:26:56 GMT -5
On the Day of the MUD, Nessalin will be the first to go. Make Armageddon Great Again.
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Oct 13, 2016 3:51:03 GMT -5
Wait, wtf Dman? Did they just revoke your posting priveleges or...? Please tell me you didn't get banned from the game itself.
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Oct 13, 2016 4:32:58 GMT -5
Wait, wtf Dman? Did they just revoke your posting priveleges or...? Please tell me you didn't get banned from the game itself. Well, I was permanently banned from the GDB........for.......posting things some people/certain staff don't agree with on a personal level.......
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Oct 13, 2016 5:13:57 GMT -5
I mean, don't get me wrong, I find Dman repugnant on many levels, but I also respect him and his right to express his views, I'm actually slightly tempted to give him a swift kick in the ribs while he's down, but in the end,I know I'm no better than him, and despite whatever I may like or dislike about him, I'd rather hear his opinion than someone like, say, Evil Cabbage's(who has proven a few times he enjoys nothing less than kicking someone who's down, and I don't want to be that guy), who is just a teabagging, asslicking douche. What'd they even ban Dman for? I can't even look, being banned myself... anyway, who gives a fuck what I like or dislike about someone else?
Dman, if you're interested in building a gameworld, I'm sure Vintrius can always use more help. Athasmud is quickly approaching a closed beta testing phase, according to my current understanding, and with dead weight like me, they likely could use someone who, you know, actually gets shit done.
Aside from that, I'm not going to speak on the matter, either way I went I'd likely be jumping to conclusions. It's ever been my experience that, while I don't particularly like Dman, he has been one of the better players I've had the opportunity to RP with. Whatever the fuck happened, makes me sad, and I get the nagging feeling it may have been a very bad choice on their part. The last time they fucked with him, he fucked back, and hard. I doubt there'll be a lot of bells and whistles this time, though, because at a point one has to ask themselves, is my positive contribution doing, anything at all? If I was him, I'd be like, ftfy, I got better shit to do with my time. Instead I'm just a fucking lunatic with an empty life who keeps crawling back for more abuse.
I swear, the only thing I /LIKE/ about Armageddon are my fellow players and the environment some of them strive to create. There's also some good staffers, who provide some quality animations and enforce the virtual environment, and remind me, this is not a coded room, this is a place full of living, breathing people. During my break, I've been trying other games. Too often, there's a lack of, something, in these games. Elitist attitudes, players who respond to noobs like "u wot m8?" as opposed to trying to help them get their bearings. I won't slam the staff of these games (because it's largely the playerbase), or even call the games out, just saying, totally not as accessible and understandable as Arm. There's something about Arm's documented setting where, if you do something worthy of getting fucked over, that's what you get, if you don't, you usually don't. I'm not a huge fan of prom drama, which, I find a lot more frequently in other games.
That said, I'm sexist, I hate males because their brains get washed with retard levels of testosterone in the womb. I'm easily confused by women and most of them strike me as batshit insane... which, being batshit insane myself, at least I can identify. Moreso, I can't stand all the "shoulds" and "shouldn'ts", I can't personally stand the concept of, "This is what a man should be." or "This is what a woman is supposed to be.", but then, I'm a freaking weirdo so I like outsiders. I like puppies, and kittens, and waking up on the beach to an incoming storm. I like the moon, and I like making long, rambling, stupid posts on the internet that stand for nothing. I like to waste your time with words that strike you as if there's something there, if only you could see it, but the more you read it, the more you're like, what the fuck?! This is stupid and makes no sense. I also like being somewhere so remote and isolated, I can walk outside, look up into the dusty arm of the galaxy, and remind myself, you ain't shit. You see that up there? That's SO much bigger than you, you're just a fucking monkey on some backwater planet and are lucky medicine is more advanced than rubbing shit in your wounds, because you know they'd do it if the journals said so, and if you didn't let them, they'd screech loudly and throw poo all over internet forums because somehow you're endangering others by not letting them rub shit all over you.
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Oct 13, 2016 5:45:24 GMT -5
Also, please don't pick on Malifaxis, I know he can be callous at times and really rub people the wrong way, but anyone who's been swept up in any of his plots before would know he's a great player, and his focus is the enjoyment of others. It's ever been my experience that if something exciting is not going on, he will MAKE SOME SHIT UP and get you involved. He will find crazy things to do to help you and straight up put a boot to your ass and shove you in the story. So some of his GDB posts suck... eh, big deal.
I don't know what's going on with him, we don't talk, I just know shit's been rough for him as of late, and it would be good if we could all just, you know, accept that and brush the chip off our shoulders. Is he an asshole? Yes, but so are you, and possibly a bigger asshole. It's easy to forget that RL shit happens to people, and that people experience things which cause them a good deal of pain IRL, but step outside your fucking pocket universe for a moment and witness the world full of suffering that you, and the rest of us, live in and deal with... this is veering dangerously close to the topic of "Shoulds and shouldn'ts", which is something I'd prefer not to elaborate on.
EDIT: Edited to add, this is for Hunted, who is a confirmed, though wonderful asshole, and anyone else who wants to take a jab at Malifaxis. It's your right to express you opinion, but I will believe it seriously flawed if you do so, asshole.
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Post by jcarter on Oct 13, 2016 11:54:56 GMT -5
I moved some comments to an off topic section where people are free to post their political thoughts on dman post and his explanation behind. I anticipate that it's going to be a lengthy affair.
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Post by desertman on Oct 13, 2016 13:24:11 GMT -5
Probably a good idea, though for the most part I'm done with it. If folks want to delve deeper into that it probably won't include me going forward, but more power to them.
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Oct 14, 2016 1:46:31 GMT -5
Eh, Dman, my feelings about your genitals notwithstanding, you'll be fine, what does denial from the GDB accomplish besides denying you access to the clan boards? I used to check them once in a while, but usually shit gor rescheduled somehow... so they banned you from the forums, still, that's kind of a slap to the face... I hope you keep playing?...
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