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Post by jkarr on Jun 10, 2016 23:11:32 GMT -5
The gossip I've picked up on the matter is he lopped a hand (or just a finger?) of an important commoner. A red robe then swooped in to save the day and punish balth by chopping one of his hands or fingers or whatever off. This from the imms who ask you to have experience with politics when apping for their roles. you gotta love the irony there. What a precedent that makes. hurt a commoner and you get the exact same punishment despite having noble birth and being a part of the police force of the city. having flashbacks yet, RogueRougeRanger?  |
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Post by jkarr on Jun 10, 2016 23:12:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't know if any nobles are acting like templars but in my experience most templars now just act like nobles. They don't appear to police anything or threaten people, they're more like businessmen. which is why balth sounded like a bloody breath of fresh air by actually stirring shit up. too bad he got punished for doing what templars were designed to do. bolded and qft |
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Post by jesantu on Jun 10, 2016 23:20:38 GMT -5
Thanks jkarr. I don't necessarily think it's the templars fault either. They just don't want to become like bathazar so instead they play very lowkey and therefore seem more like businessmen than ruthless, corrupt enforcers of the law. its part of the greater problem with the game in general. no one wants to make waves when they have to worry about some intrusive imm who has a poor understanding of things ruining all your efforts. god forbid whoever animated that red robe instead took a step back and let things play themselves out before leaping in to save the day. and how ironic it was a red robe defending a commoner, not a red robe defending another templar. I can't think of a single commoner pc currently who is ranked so high they deserve the protections of a fricking RED ROBED TEMPLAR. its just so laughable. |
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Post by jesantu on Jun 10, 2016 23:24:33 GMT -5
If I were the commoner pc in that situation and had a red robe leaping to my defense and giving the templar who hurt me the exact same punishment....I'd seriously feel disappointed on an ooc level. its like here you have this wonderful conflict being born by two players (the templar and the victim) and some dungeon master jumps in to white knight the whole damn thing and ruin any potential plots that might have otherwise sprung from it.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Jun 11, 2016 0:27:50 GMT -5
Heres the thing.
The commoner he hurt was basically valuable property of a noble house. The noble that was in charge of him didn't get red robe-kun on his ass because he took a finger, he got on his ass because he took a finger WITHOUT asking permission of the noble house. Now you may be thinking "I wouldn't just ask a noble for permission to hit one of his slaves" but this is more so a situation of "I should ask/tell lord fuck face I'm going to be breaking one of his chairs/cutting off an advisors finger"
That and he just didn't like him.
The red robe also got assassinated, lel.
Was it handled well? Maybe.
It depends on how much power you think noble houses have. I think it was an acceptable response. Even the lord, who I talked to, was like "If he just came to me and was like 'yeah fambergini I'm going to cut his finger off' it would have been fine but now this shit had to happen"
The red robe also had his (Lord balthazar) mount killed and fed it to him at dinner lol. We were planning on getting another Erdlu and painting it the same coat as his old mount and giving it to him as a gift in the arena infront of everyone....was going to be hilarious.
Then he died/stored/hung himself irl
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Post by jkarr on Jun 11, 2016 2:17:15 GMT -5
The red robe also got assassinated, lel. well if anything its good that theyre basicly following the line of consequences considering how retarded it was to animate a red robe to defend the commoner and punish the blue robe in front of him vs a blue house showing up, making a complaint abt balt, and then a red robe appearing to sort it out (that wouldve seemed to make more sense but no, festival rpt rules apply EVERYWHAR) thanks nyrbama The red robe also had his (Lord balthazar) mount killed and fed it to him at dinner lol. haha thats great |
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Jun 11, 2016 2:29:34 GMT -5
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Post by jesantu on Jun 11, 2016 2:31:37 GMT -5
whether a punishment was warranted or not is irrelevant. For the public to bear witness to a templar being given the exact same punishment as a commoner is ludicrous and would set a dangerous precedent that now the templars are on equal footing with the commoners. It also teaches the commoners a clever way to get templars punished. I'm willing to bet the red robe being killed was the equivalent of a higher ranking imm punishing the lower ranking imm who initiated this idiocy in the first place.
And despite everything else, why not let the situation evolve IC instead of meddling and leaping to the rescue the instant a templar dares to behave like a templar?
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Post by Azerbanjani on Jun 11, 2016 2:34:29 GMT -5
Wait.
So all templars before were stuck being War templars?
Really?
Why?
What if I wanna read books all day and bitch to my red robe about getting whore houses established? NOW MY DREAM CAN COME TRUE?
Too bad I don't play this game anymore.
I kind of want to make a completely new account and app in a templar if one ever comes up just on the off chance I get it, and be one of those fuckers that try to learn sorcerer/become a god or some shit while failing horribly in the process but even that effort can't get me to even look at the forums anymore.
Hopefully this will mean not every templar wears fucking armor to the brim with weapons everywhere. I mean, a sword is well and good but borderline plate mail isn't normal for fucking dinner attire.
'I love you fam but god damnit Aanson take off your armor.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Jun 11, 2016 2:36:13 GMT -5
whether a punishment was warranted or not is irrelevant. For the public to bear witness to a templar being given the exact same punishment as a commoner is ludicrous and would set a dangerous precedent that now the templars are on equal footing with the commoners. It also teaches the commoners a clever way to get templars punished. I'm willing to bet the red robe being killed was the equivalent of a higher ranking imm punishing the lower ranking imm who initiated this idiocy in the first place. And despite everything else, why not let the situation evolve IC instead of meddling and leaping to the rescue the instant a templar dares to behave like a templar? Was he punished in public? As far as I know it was between a private dinner between the commoner, the noble of said commoner, Ballsfuck, and the Red Robe. I didn't think it was public? I mean. It kind of did evolve ic. I think it was the players that actually went and 'I'm gonna tell mom (Mom being Red robe in this situation) as opposed to staff just jumping on his case because 'they can'. If it wasn't the player that said it then it's kinda gay |
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Post by punished ppurg on Jun 11, 2016 11:02:47 GMT -5
It's painfully obvious that the staff doesn't trust anyone to play a character above the glass ceiling they've created; what I don't understand is how the hell they can trust themselves to play those same characters, what with example after example of these storytellers dropping the ball and being punished for overstepping a virtual entity's presence.
Maybe seidhr and the other admins have it right when they've decided to do absolutely nothing -- at least they're not ruining my immersion!
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Post by grumble on Jun 11, 2016 14:50:56 GMT -5
I have no problem with Balthazar chopping something off an "important" commoner. Some of those commoners act way above their station and need to be reminded that in the end they are expendable resources. Too bad, so sad Lord Manboobs, looks like your fucktoy aide is going to have to use their offhand on your shaft from here on out.
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Post by grumble on Jun 11, 2016 14:57:33 GMT -5
The one time I have a problem is when I'm not doing anything offensive to anyone, just doing my job as instructed, and someone wants to maim my PC beyond playable paramaters (you can still play with one hand), or kill them just because... but still, those occurences, I understand, can and will happen on occassion. It's more a matter of "Why is this happening?", and less a matter of "Oh, ok, I fucked up there and this is what I Get for it.", the latter I can accept, the former, seemingly blindsided repeatedly from multiple angles makes me question what's really going on, and sparks serious paranoia, which I understand is a personal failing, but it can become quite a widespread one, honestly, and on the whole seems unhealthy for the game.
It's the kind of thing that makes people hesitant to join any clans or even assosciate and gather in public.
EDIT: It's caused, I believe, and have said, many times, by the OOC desire to get one's grim-dark street cred on. It's understanble, given the MCB mantra, but I prefer to take into consideration the bigger picture and longterm effects. At the same time as maybe I want some grim-dark street cred too, I have to realize that ultimately, the long term effects make it a selfish and destructive act, as, I'm not the only one who wants some grim-dark street cred, there's just not enough to go around while maintaining a healthy social order, for, say I get my street cred. Player rolls up a new character, someone else gets their street cred on, on that same player, offering little, if anything, in the way of comprimise. I've seen it happen before, a healthy, dedicated player can turn into a paranoid, kill first and ask questions later sort of wreck, resulting in the adoption of certain anti-social behaviors.
So you can see my standpoint on using this kind of thoughtful approach, not to be a carebear, but in order to keep things playable and social. Otherwise you end up with 50 players playing and empty streets. This could be tempered somewhat by adjustments to grinding. As it stands, you stand to lose a whole hell of a lot of time to attain basic competence, enough to, you know, actually DO stuff. It should take a moderate amount of time to reach this point, for an optimal balance, allowing people to be explorative without being unrealisticly suicidal. I can see staff has made some excellent adjustments to subguilds and the skills they grant, of which I highly approve, as it can obviate the need for branching certain skills that may be crucial to your concept. 10 days played to branch vital skills, another ten days to get that actually usable.
I don' know, maybe I'm way off the mark here, but that's just my current perspective on the situation.
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Post by grumble on Jun 11, 2016 15:24:48 GMT -5
Quick fix: double skill-gains. Bam.
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Post by bonghitz on Jun 11, 2016 16:36:09 GMT -5
The thought of a red robe, a red robe, coming in and cutting off a blue robe's hand, for wanting to cut off the hand of a commoner (important or otherwise) is just boggles my mind...
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