yoashi
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Post by yoashi on Jun 11, 2016 18:23:21 GMT -5
Moreso than all of that, is the idea that the majority of this happened for some self-important commoner PC, and a handful of Sponsored App extra-attention roles. Not saying it SHOULD have been public, but all this for some meanface Templar meanwhile... some people just really want to ask that NPC something about the world.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Jun 11, 2016 20:09:18 GMT -5
It wasn't a hand. It was a finger.
And heres what happened.
Brand was just chilling in the bar.
Balthazar comes up
"Give me a finger for the highlord"
Brand does so because he ain't a bitch.
For no fucking reason.
Balls was nuts
So you have a templar, sworn to protect the laws of the city or some gay shit, walking into the bar and physically maiming an aide to the best noble house for no god damn reason.
So in private they cut the templars finger off for being a dumb ass.
If anything that was pretty tame.
Not tame as in "They should have done more" but you all and your "THEY ARE TREATING A TEMPLAR LIKE A COMMONER" Narrative it is tame. If they wanted to treat him like a commoner they'd march his ass in the Gaj/Reds and do it there.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Jun 11, 2016 20:42:10 GMT -5
So in private they cut the templars finger off for being a dumb ass. If anything that was pretty tame. Not tame as in "They should have done more" but you all and your "THEY ARE TREATING A TEMPLAR LIKE A COMMONER" Narrative it is tame. A narrative that wouldn't have happened if you were specific when you brought the incident up in the first place. If you don't want people believing gossip, get out in front of it. That said, I can see why you miss the crazy fucker. I miss the days when templars were feared for something other than what OOC connections they might have to fuck your karma with... or just feared at all. |
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Post by Azerbanjani on Jun 11, 2016 21:11:17 GMT -5
I didn't even remember bringing it up.
Then again I am stupid so theres that.
Yeah he was literally insane. I loved it. I think he was addicted to spice but whenever someone says someone is 'spice addicted' it's usually the gay noble euphemism of 'this nigga gonna die'
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bonghitz
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Post by bonghitz on Jun 11, 2016 21:12:39 GMT -5
Back when I played, I used to have the word templar highlighted on my clunky old client. They were that frightening to me when I first started. Even though it's been years and years, that image is still there in my mind. I paid attention any time that highlighted word, templar, came across my screen, because I found out early on, that these were the tough dudes in charge, and I paid them due respect. Starting in Allanak was definitely the right choice.
I don't know what the state of the game is like today, since I haven't experienced it in quite some time, but I'll always remember this kind of stuff. I think it's hard to preserve it all, since a lot of "it all" is in the hands of the players, and of course, the administration, and hands change over time. Timing. Circumstances. People. The underlying game mechanics have probably been more or less the same for the past 15 years, but it's who tinkers with those cludgy old DIKU subroutines across the vast stretch of inter-networked spacetime that shapes our perspective.
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OT
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Post by OT on Jun 12, 2016 3:19:38 GMT -5
Eh. First I thought it was refreshing to see a templar who dared to fuck with people, but it quickly got annoying and problematic because we couldn't find him for weeks at a time to do anything about it. He executed a member of the Guild and was then gone for so long that we simply abandoned our plans of retaliating. Then he appeared again and executed the leader.
I wouldn't say he had no reason for doing so, but it didn't feel at all necessary as the thing that led him to do it was being handled and had been settled. Just like the other times he executed important PCs felt like it was on a very flimsy basis and really quite a contrivance, you could see a reason if you squinted, but it was weak as hell. It really seemed like he was just killing an important, well-known PC for the sake of doing it, like he's done several other times.
If he had been around a lot so that people could do something about it, it might have been less dodgy, but the entire Guild was unable to really get hold of him to any meaningful extent for several weeks in a row to the point where I found that it removed the justification for his habit of executing clanleaders. He also executed a Kurac family member as well as some elf who was starting a family setup. It was very destructive to the game.
If you want to do that, you need to be available on more or less a daily basis so that realistic consequences can occur. If an entire clan is trying to dig up dirt on you or otherwise get back at you, and they can't find a single opportunity for a fucking month despite being competent and well-connected enough to succesfully assassinate a noble in public, you're not around enough to where it's okay for you to routinely snuff clanlead PCs and other plot-drivers.
You can play a mass-murdering maniac templar if you give people ample opportunities to react and do something about it. He didn't, and it felt like he intentionally used that to get people's guard down so he could kill them when they didn't think he was even active anymore. I consider that griefing. It was blatantly bullshit, and staff probably knew it because they had NPC red-robes reprimand him several times.
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Jun 12, 2016 9:26:41 GMT -5
There's a flipside to every coin, and yeah, killing off clanleaders in already difficult to populate clans is pretty iffy, in any clan it tends to leave a more massive hole (soon to be filled by a potentially better, or MUCH worse clanleader). I'm not sure how I feel about it, it's possible newtwink is correct in his thinking and that it wasn't just this one commoner being important, but a culmination of previous destructive acts. The edge, the only ones who know where it is are those that have gone over the high-side, and they aren't talking.
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my2sids
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Post by my2sids on Jun 12, 2016 9:38:05 GMT -5
I lost interest in playing for a while (and still haven't regained it) after he killed my PC for flimsy reasons.
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Jun 12, 2016 9:51:10 GMT -5
I lost interest in playing for a while (and still haven't regained it) after he killed my PC for flimsy reasons. Sorry to hear that, man. Well, I guess that's evidence of my tl;dr post on street cred, and newtwink's post on Balthazar... see, that's why I don't do shit like that most of the time. Hope the itch comes back soon. |
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yevad
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Post by yevad on Jun 12, 2016 10:09:03 GMT -5
I lost interest in playing for a while (and still haven't regained it) after he killed my PC for flimsy reasons. Please regain it  |
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Jun 12, 2016 10:24:27 GMT -5
I have to say, one thing I've noticed, with my own characters and those of others, that end up on a destructive path, is that it seems like a cool concept to begin with, but character traits, quirks, alliances, and history can shape a character into such a damn monster. I have a theory this is what happened with this particular character being spoken of. It's at this point where I like to start making mistakes, turn mercy on, give the enemy a chance to escape by "accidently" dropping hints or threatening, and only follow through with it if presented no other option.
That's the thing, IMO, is that often enough we, as players, feel compelled to do a thing because it's properly IC for our character to do these things. We think we don't have a choice, but the thing is, we do. We don't have to be perfect at what we do, we can fuck it up or otherwise be too dense to carry out our chosen task, this, too, is IC. Perhaps we can develop a weakness, but we're hesitant to do that, because, we've learned that when we do this, some players don't extend us the same consideration. It's like a blind game of reitterated prisoner's dilemma, where the safest bet is to assume the person on the other end is a heartless, inconsiderate asshole. Truth is, sometimes they are, but... in this instance at least, I'll drag up the age-old GDB meme and say that we can "be the change".
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Jun 12, 2016 11:24:31 GMT -5
Balthananas played like he had a mental illness; but not many people knew that his character did have a mental illness, which makes his actions schizophrenic and his play look very poor.
If he had spent more time roleplaying suffering from his illness, rather than exploiting it as a reason to practically grief Allanak, he'd have been a much better Templar.
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Post by topkekm8s on Jun 12, 2016 12:57:41 GMT -5
Balthananas played like he had a mental illness; but not many people knew that his character did have a mental illness, which makes his actions schizophrenic and his play look very poor. If he had spent more time roleplaying suffering from his illness, rather than exploiting it as a reason to practically grief Allanak, he'd have been a much better Templar. What was his sdesc |
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grumble
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Post by grumble on Jun 12, 2016 13:29:44 GMT -5
He was the Templar with a bowl cut? I think? Could be mistaken. I saw him once, thought he looked intriguing but I was playing a sponsored role and didn't want to chance getting wrapped up in that and killed.
EDIT: That first meeting was enough to convince me to steer clear. He grabbed some hooded dude and screamed in his face about refusing to go in a hole, said he'd cut out his tongue if he messed this up, then finished it off with a shake and yelled in his face, "NOW GO FORTH AND MAKE MERRY! KRATH-DAMNIT!", this was in the midst of a celebration.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Jun 12, 2016 14:08:07 GMT -5
Go forth and make merry, jesus it's not that hard.
I feel so bad for his aide lol
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