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Post by king on Apr 14, 2016 20:13:18 GMT -5
The fourteen other players playing around Kitt?
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 14, 2016 20:21:15 GMT -5
The fourteen other players playing around Kitt? ... were privy to options handed down by the staff to her player behind-the-scenes about how to proceed with the character?
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Apr 14, 2016 20:28:52 GMT -5
Yeah, you can't throw this sort of meta-information out there and expect to slide by with "everyone knew it", because there was a definite cover-up ICly (as my Sergeant was exposed to it). In fact, all the other players were given the cover-up story. Unless you were Lucith (and I know you are not). But go ahead and keep preaching about how when player apply for female nobles, they should expect to have the staff micro-manage their sexual encounters with others. You see, this is the schizoid logic of the staff team; they punished the Tuluki nobility for having too much sex, and then they killed the Allanaki noble for refusing it. It's like the upper echelons of Allanki RP have lost any gravitas or power, and the only thing left for both the players and the staff to focus on are the intricate nuances of the ERP scene. Really, there's nothing left there in substance, so I don't blame you for trying to defend it or the staff's decision to kill a noble PC for refusing to have sex. I'm with BitterFlashback on this one -- my guess is you know this from the inside. Don't you guys have a rule against posting here?
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Post by king on Apr 14, 2016 20:28:56 GMT -5
You mean when the character was being booted from Borsail for her behavior? Staff wouldn't force the change to Tor on the player. It's not exactly rocket science to suppose staff will generally ask what you'd prefer before a major change like that.
Nah, there's no way somebody could solve that puzzle. Way too complex.
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Post by punished ppurg on Apr 14, 2016 20:31:44 GMT -5
You mean when the character was being booted from Borsail for her behavior? Staff wouldn't force the change to Tor on the player. It's not exactly rocket science to suppose staff will generally ask what you'd prefer before a major change like that. Nah, there's no way somebody could solve that puzzle. Way too complex. Now I know you're full of bullshit. >Staff wouldn't force the change to Tor on the player. I was standing there when Kitt was handed the marriage contract. If I had the common sense back then to log everything like I do now, I'd dig it up and either prove you know nothing about this, or that you're just journeying out to see how ironically sarcastic you can be while maintaining some facade of contrarian argument. Why don't you talk to Talia on Facebook and ask her if she forced the change to Tor onto the player? And why don't you ask her how hard she got off when she cemented her worthless title as alpha-bitch by killing Kitt off after Friday refused to engage in that awkward, unwanted scene? Go right ahead.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 14, 2016 20:38:24 GMT -5
You mean when the character was being booted from Borsail for her behavior? Staff wouldn't force the change to Tor on the player. It's not exactly rocket science to suppose staff will generally ask what you'd prefer before a major change like that. Nah, there's no way somebody could solve that puzzle. Way too complex. Ah, I see you've once again shifted the conversation to avoid answering for all the shit you've stepped in. So here's a reminder: it's incredibly easy to reference past, evaded points on a forum. You do understand that they never once tied her down to force the child on the character So as long as Friday had the option of having his character killed, the staff didn't "force" the child on the character. Absolutely brilliant defense. You're a master at this. To the second, you do understand Kitt was a royal embarrassment to Borsail and married to Tor for that reason, aye? That instead of being force-stored, the player was given a second option? You do understand that they never once tied her down to force the child on the character, and that reproducing is expected of all noble PCs and never creepily done IG? That being given a dimwit of an NPC as your spouse is a totally IC punishment for IC actions? Finally, you do understand that it was not staff that killed her? Everything that happened to Kitt was the consequence of IC actions. I am extremely curious how it is you "know" so much about the event, given you weren't on Mumble when Friday explained the entire thing. Are you making shit up off the top of your head in the hopes we're not better informed than you, or are you a staffer breaking that rule about participating here? So, getting back on-topic: do your fellow staffers know you're breaking policy by posting here, or was this approved of?
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Post by king on Apr 14, 2016 20:42:01 GMT -5
oh lord. I'm staff now. there's no way this information can get to anybody other than staff.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 14, 2016 20:44:32 GMT -5
oh lord. I'm staff now. there's no way this information can get to anybody other than staff. You've offered no explanation for how you know what options Friday was given by staff behind-the-scenes, and now you're basically making scoffing noises using words. I know you think you're coming off as haughtily condescending but it's being picked up as you're completely out of ideas.
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Post by king on Apr 14, 2016 20:58:53 GMT -5
lol. Like I said, figuring this stuff out doesn't take much brain power.
Whatever you guys wanna believe. I couldn't care less.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 14, 2016 21:06:46 GMT -5
I am extremely curious how it is you "know" so much about the event, given you weren't on Mumble when Friday explained the entire thing. Are you making shit up off the top of your head in the hopes we're not better informed than you, or are you a staffer breaking that rule about participating here? lol. Like I said, figuring this stuff out doesn't take much brain power. Well I appreciate you admitting you were making shit up off the top of your head in the hopes we weren't better informed than you. Though if you paid more attention you probably could have avoided admitting it. Look, whenever it is you get back to the GDB to whore your activity here for some cred, can you ask them to send a troll who's at least noticeably less incompetent than you are? A little effort from our immigrant shitposters would be appreciated. Whatever you guys wanna believe. I couldn't care less. You do realize in the context you posted this in, you mean you care enough to post about it and are incapable of not caring enough to drop the matter, right? Because that's the kind of vulnerability you shouldn't advertise. Again: please request a replacement troll who is less incompetent.
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Post by my2sids on Apr 14, 2016 22:52:45 GMT -5
If you guys could kindly stop discussing my super awesome PC that'd be cool. I mean like, thanks and all, but it's all conjecture in this thread. I don't really want to disclose the request tool conversations I had with staff about this topic.
For the record, though: It was my first noble and "marriage contracts" was not adequately covered by staff. It was something I learned about IC because there's no docs on this subject at all. The marriage contract itself didn't have it written into it that Kitt was required to have kids, only that those that were born would belong to X House. When I asked about it directly in the Req Tool, staff kind of dodged on it all. My PC was pretty hell bent on self destruction and doing things "her way" which meant that my interesting PC just wasn't going to last. That's how it is with nobles. The more interesting you are, the less likely you are to stick around. Boring nobles live for forever.
It's whatever. Water long under the bridge.
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Post by bobo on Apr 15, 2016 9:55:03 GMT -5
This is why the clan usually sucks. Unless the stars align and you get three mindbenders, a Nilazi demon and a slew of ghouls in the Guild (which has happened once ever). If you think this is what you need to be successful as a Guild leader, then it's not the Guild that sucks, you do. The Guild doesn't suck any more than Armageddon as a whole does. The fundamental issue is that most Arma players can't do crime. It requires a certain amount of chill and savvy to play a criminal, even in an online game. I ran Guild leaders that lived for ~2 RL years (and could well have kept going, but for the usual issue of having nothing left to accomplish at a certain point). We collected protection from every single house. (And sure, some of them may have thought they were just "playing along," but any that didn't play along learned how quickly a twink assassin or two they'd never heard of and would never see again could ruin their day.) We owned the entire top floor of the Merchant's Road apartments back when any commoner could rent them. There were nobles that went to Templars trying to claim the apartments for clan staff and the Templars rejected bribes to help them (even though we were barely paying Templars ourselves), explicitly warning them that the people living there were dangerous. Because we were -- I was liberal about PKing both inside and outside of the organization to keep things quiet and tie up loose ends. And I wasn't worried about giving suckers some sense of closure about why the lights went out. We were the epitome of "there might have been an IC reason for that apparently senseless PK." You don't have to be a flashy, attention-seeking celebrity Guild-boss like Serpent (although that's a fine character choice too). If that's the path you choose, yeah, you need a team of mindbenders and ghouls. I worked primarily with mundanes, rarely left the rinth, and still accumulated a vast fortunate without ever really doing any work of my own. There were PCs a couple rungs down the ladder from mine that would frequently mistake me for an NPC, and I only worked through intermediaries. (These are the PCs that 95% of the playerbase probably thought of as "the current Guild boss".) If you're willing to play like an actual criminal, stay the fuck out of the public eye, and ruthlessly reject and murder losers that try to join your crew, you can crush it as a Guild boss. There were times I was running crews of 4-8 active PCs, collecting protection from most houses, collecting on highly-paid contracts, and making direct threats on Templars (one of whom sent me kudos because my threat was the only thing that could give him a chill as a jaded Templar player). Meanwhile, at this exact same time, ignorant yahoos on the GDB would spout off about how "the Guild hasn't been active in years." Of course you think that. You don't remotely have the street smarts to get anywhere near crime, even on a MUD. You're supposed to think that. That's because I was doing a damn good job at it. For Christ's sake, I remember GDB morons talking about how "the rinth is dead and rinthers never hang out in the rinth," while the Folley was literally packed with 4+ active crew planning jobs at that very moment -- people would think the rinth was dead because rinthers were actually staying in the rinth, and according to the GDB common wisdom (replicated here because in many ways the head-in-sand mentality is just as real here as it is there -- just about different topics), THAT NEVAR HAPPENS. And you want to know how much I asked staff for: approximately jack shit. I asked for and received a handful of shitty lockpicks at a high price once, and about 2 years in, I asked for an additional promotion. Everything else was accomplished with no staff support whatsoever, because only a sucker relies on staff to get things done, especially as a criminal player. Shit, you know how long I operated my crews entirely from Folley backroom with no office? A LOOOOONG time. And yet I didn't have problems with PCs staying active in the rinth and working to get trusted for access. I didn't have problems with the entire backroom contents walking off. I made the rinth interesting for PCs with the resources I had, and I managed access to the backroom carefully. You know, I filled the gap with actual leadership rather than just demanding more coded resources to make leadership unnecessary. I realize you're coming fresh off the heels of some bad experience, and as a result, we all have to collectively pretend that Armageddon staff and the failures of its game design are solely responsible for every single way in which you failed to live up to your potential as the greatest most perfect and epic Guild boss ever. However, consider this: Stealth is overpowered on Arm, as is poison. As Guild boss, you control a lawless area that is basically one giant sparring and twink arena. If you can't take control of the city with those resources, or if you can't make the rinth an interesting-enough place that rinth players will want to hang around there, then I'm sorry, but you just aren't an especially good boss, or you lack patience, or you are too enamored of attention, or you are relying too much on staff, regardless how many people dig your colorful character with a catchy name and your great emotes and whatever. I mean shit, you murdered a noble or something, right? Good for you! You're obviously doing something right. And you were upset because there wasn't enough applause from staff? That they didn't have NPCs mention and chitchat about it? That is an utterly pathetic complaint. A hit should be a strategic move. Your reward for executing a hit is that the PC in question is dead, not a pat on the head from mommy and daddy. If you're lucky, and good enough at it, the only people that even know you're responsible are the ones you want to know for specific strategic reasons. Why on earth would you care about or even want staff's approval? Most of what you do as a criminal is going to ruin (aka improve) staff's corny little noble plots, so you should be prepared to meet with less than enthusiastic support.
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Post by punished ppurg on Apr 15, 2016 10:40:29 GMT -5
You're missing the point here, Mr. Tailor. It's not that he wanted mummy to give him a cookie for performing; what he was expecting was the staff members to pick up their side of the bargain (that they volunteer to do!) and animate the world in response to this player action.
You're basically playing the game without staff, and that's good on you if you can work within a broken system built to have staff augmentation, and derive some enjoyment from it despite its broken state; that's really an accomplishment. Some people dislike the idea of their character's development being ignored or delayed by the staff members' collective years and negligence of an area. I know that's a foreign idea to you, and how you're so cool for players thinking you were an NPC (this is a cool thing?), but eventually it comes to a point where either the staff do their duty that they've volunteered to do, or else they're actively compromising the narrative and the environment.
Make up as many excuses as you want on how someone can be whiny and entitled for DARING to be agitated over a volunteer not doing what they've volunteered to do... over a period of years of negligence. Yep! Feel free.
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Post by lurklord on Apr 15, 2016 11:51:47 GMT -5
This is the point people are trying to make.
There's nothing TO accomplish in the guild other than swinging your dick around and trying to extort money that you don't really need because of already having a overabundance. Maybe if the guild could actually do something meaningful with their influence or wealth then we'd stop measuring the success of it's current leader by the number of people they've backstabbed.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Apr 15, 2016 11:56:18 GMT -5
The fundamental issue is that most Arma players can't do crime. Please. The real fundamental issue with crime is that it's nigh impossible to play even the pettiest of criminals against other PCs in Armageddon without endgame-tier skills and noble connections-- unless of course you're trying to disguise a suicide or just get a rush out of inconveniencing another PC before you get caught and executed within the week. This is why the Allanaki streets are still safe at night, even with the lack of crim code. This problem also contributes to stealth players maxing their shit out on NPCs before even attempting to play with other players.
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