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Post by jcarter on Apr 14, 2016 12:12:58 GMT -5
Despite what you may believe (and believe it or not, I think JCarter's probably one of the most level-headed people on both boards), you wouldn't be able to sustain a serious community around the parameters of these forums, which mostly allow people to randomly spiel into vitriolic ranting. that's true. i think the arm forums should be run as a middle ground. sometimes it's better to let things run their course and let people get it out of their system, or just take the lumps. and sometimes things need to get clamped down. i don't think they do either one of those appropriately, but it's their call. these forums tend to follow the former principle, because who am I to tell people they aren't allowed to vent? there's been aspects i've wanted to clamp down on and things i've disagreed with, in particular the flak towards anaiah for example or some of kronibas's ramblings, but beyond things that would jeopardize the forums being hosted or illegal things i don't see any good reason to stop people from posting. and that goes both ways. if you don't like someone's opinions you're free to not read the posts and not respond. or you're free to argue with them, w/e. i'd rather have things that way then shit like the GDB, where a handful of people get away with vitriolic and insulting posts but people responding to them get moderated in turn. what they want and what they can get are two different things. it's an outdated, even in terms of MUDs, game with little reason to draw in new blood. frankly i'd take people like newtwink any day over a majority of Armers. I personally don't see anythign wrong with how he handled things ICly, or even the storage. in the case of the storage, he clearly had no interest in playing anymore so the other alternative was to just never login again with the character. by retiring he at least does the courtesy of allowing staff to do w/e they want with his character. i think the attitude of assassination being a plot killer is overblown. a borsail noble got murdered in the streets. that's it's own plot development right there; anyone who wants to get in good with Borsail should probably be doing what they can to get to the bottom of it. other nobles should be feeling worried and making sure to get more involved with paying off the Guild, or at least involving PCs for safety, etc. but I suppose it's all in the eyes of the beholder. |
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Post by OT on Apr 14, 2016 13:04:45 GMT -5
I stored the character (weeks after the kill, once the aftermath had tapered off) out of courtesy to the one remaining member of the Guild, whose character isn't really a natural fit to lead the clan. If I'd simply stopped logging in, it might have taken Ath weeks to find out that I'd quit and was not actually going to take over as leader. Instead, as odd as it is to see them post a Guild boss rolecall, my storing the character allowed them to do that right away and keep the clan alive for that guy.
The alternative would have been for the rinth to fall apart entirely as there was nobody left with recruiting rank in the Guild, and staff would have had to hold off finding a new leader until it was clear that I wasn't just taking some time off the game. There wasn't anyone else to step right into leadership, and I knew by then that I was leaving the game for good.
Anyway, the desperation with which king tries to vilify me is hilarious. It's just a "look at me, staff, I'm so much on your side" move. As for Balthazar, the entire Guild had given up trying to interact with him. We actually had some dealings with him that had completely stagnated because none of us could track him down for weeks. Then he appears out of nowhere and executes the clanlead after we'd given up on him, assuming he wasn't really worth worrying about anymore. But I guess it's just my fault, as with everything else, according to this anonymous guy who hates me to mentally unstable degrees.
Maybe he's the other one of the two PCs I killed in 33 days played as a professional assassin working for the Allanaki mafia. What a horrible person I am to do that to the game. Good that Armageddon is rid of this plague, huh? Now the game can get back to all the other things it has going for it. I'm sure there's a riveting Fale party coming up. Rejoice.
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Post by jkarr on Apr 14, 2016 15:13:06 GMT -5
It has. That role app didn't come from nowhere. hes talking abt wiping the clan out of the game for good, tho unless rinth is destroyed i dont see that happening longterm |
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Post by jkarr on Apr 14, 2016 15:53:05 GMT -5
I stored the character (weeks after the kill, once the aftermath had tapered off) out of courtesy to the one remaining member of the Guild, whose character isn't really a natural fit to lead the clan. If I'd simply stopped logging in, it might have taken Ath weeks to find out that I'd quit and was not actually going to take over as leader. Instead, as odd as it is to see them post a Guild boss rolecall, my storing the character allowed them to do that right away and keep the clan alive for that guy. makes perfect sense and that is a credit on u letting them no instead of fucking off with no wordlol nah hes just trying to find excuses to validate his salt at u getting away with killing valorisk fucking baby lol |
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Post by OT on Apr 14, 2016 15:57:58 GMT -5
Honestly, I welcome the contempt. People like king symbolize everything that's wrong with Armageddon's community, and the reason a second forum has formed to discuss the game away from people like that. There's nothing easier than rebuffing someone whose every word comes from a place of hysterical, hateful bias. It's like seeing parents defend their guilty children: rabidly irrational and completely without any sort of self-awareness. Then they tend to disappear when this is pointed out.
At least when we get a little overly passionate about things on this board, we bring arguments to the table and debate from a point of logic and things that actually happened. If someone wants to bring a strong opinion to the discussion - especially one that savagely attacks another user's person - it needs to be backed up by something substantial, not just baseless hatred spewed forth from the safety of anonymity and unknown accounts like a coward afraid to be made accountable for their words.
Much of Armageddon's decline stems from the fact that staff now caters to players like that, people who are anti-criticism and go berserk in defense of the game and its custodians, while systematically alienating anyone who speaks their mind about the state of the game and thereby, inevitably, points out the problems with today's Armageddon. The latter are also generally the ones who can make something happen and create a story, something clearly lacking in the game now.
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Post by king on Apr 14, 2016 18:20:29 GMT -5
lol. mentally unstable degrees. wtf
You symbolize the polar opposite mindset that's widespread in this portion of the community. Anybody that disagrees with you on the current state of the game or its players, and could possibly suggest you're not as good a player as you obviously think you are, is most certainly sucking staff's dick in an attempt to gain karma while... being anonymous.
If it's flak towards this community of grumpy thirty year old men and their inane prattling, it's "baseless hatred." In contrast to that, being a bitter, rambling prick here is just considered being part of the "overly passionate" community, kept down by the boot of dick-sucking players and staff without a clue.
You weren't backing your shit up with anything substantial in the last thread. It's just you playing the guessing game with the fractured knowledge you gathered during your role as an assassin from the Labyrinth, dumbfounded you weren't playing with nobles on a daily basis.
For example, I saw your character twice. By your logic, this means you logged in once a month.
But no, I'm sure it's just mental instability. You're perfect, newtwink. Staff let you down and the game will never be the same without you. May you find the happiness you so desperately long for in another MUD, such as Athas. God bless you.
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Post by punished ppurg on Apr 14, 2016 18:34:32 GMT -5
For example, I saw your character twice. By your logic, this means you logged in once a month. Were you (and your compatriots in-game) constantly seeking out his mind, every hour, on the hour, for 30+ days? And did you only find it twice? If that was the case, then I would believe you. However, you're obviously making a false equivalency here. Edit: Nevermind the blatant fact that, as a 'Rinthi assassin, newtwink's character is expected to be harder to find than the ultimate sponsored role of a Templar. Also, let's not forget the fact that you only casually crossed paths with newtwink's character, whereas newtwink was actively seeking out Balthazar for this amount of time. All of these aspects you are proud to be ignorant of in order to further your defensive and utterly unstable narrative. |
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Post by king on Apr 14, 2016 18:56:26 GMT -5
I could log on tonight and probably find him online.
And are you now done with accusing staff of trying to rape Kitt every time her name comes up?
I don't think you people understand that the reason I find him saying these players only logged in once a month unbelievable, is because I fucking witnessed them in game several times weekly.
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Post by punished ppurg on Apr 14, 2016 19:11:29 GMT -5
I could log on tonight and probably find him online. And are you now done with accusing staff of trying to rape Kitt every time her name comes up? I don't think you people understand that the reason I find him saying these players only logged in once a month unbelievable, is because I fucking witnessed them in game several times weekly. I'm sure you could find him, now that he OOCly knows that the clan plotting revenge for his actions is all but destroyed. And thanks for asking, but I'll never be done with educating the world on how Kitt was fucked over by Talia & Nyr & co. Not that you are able to comprehend any level of empathy close to considering the prospect that some players would be very sensitive regarding their characters and forced sexual encounters. |
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 14, 2016 19:21:01 GMT -5
which mostly allow people to randomly spiel into vitriolic ranting. Do you and slink have the same ghost-writer for your posts, or is there now a secret subforum on that echo chamber you call the GDB where people post comeback copypasta? Still, I have nothing but contempt for people who log in twice a month to kill plot-driving PCs and then disappear again for long stretches of time so that nothing can be done about it. I consider it griefing. didn't you just kill a plot-driving pc a PC who only logged in twice a month, as an assassin of the Guild handed a Guild contract to kill him by your staff member and disappear through the nifty storage tool retire when this failed to generate any reaction?FTFY So I'm curious of something. Since you've opted to fill the Arm Whiteknight Quota for this board, what do you plan to do with that sweet karma you're sure you'll be rewarded for mindlessly equivocating in Arm's defense? Is there some sorcerer idea you've had brewing? Wait, sorry, those don't exist. Maybe you've always wanted to play a Nilazi, so you-- fuck. No, that's out too. Element-- nope. Uhhh. I guess you could still play a templar and... no, there's no Guild and the only other templar kills every even slightly competent criminal, and all of the desert activity is aimed at the elves. What the fuck are you planning to do with your shitposting karma? I'm completely unable to think of a use for it.
I know more about these clans than some staff members might. Make me a storyteller. 2016: Let's Make Armageddon Great Again |
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Post by king on Apr 14, 2016 19:38:23 GMT -5
I could log on tonight and probably find him online. And are you now done with accusing staff of trying to rape Kitt every time her name comes up? I don't think you people understand that the reason I find him saying these players only logged in once a month unbelievable, is because I fucking witnessed them in game several times weekly. I'm sure you could find him, now that he OOCly knows that the clan plotting revenge for his actions is all but destroyed. And thanks for asking, but I'll never be done with educating the world on how Kitt was fucked over by Talia & Nyr & co. Not that you are able to comprehend any level of empathy close to considering the prospect that some players would be very sensitive regarding their characters and forced sexual encounters. To the first point, I could find him before this shit. With ease. To the second, you do understand Kitt was a royal embarrassment to Borsail and married to Tor for that reason, aye? That instead of being force-stored, the player was given a second option? You do understand that they never once tied her down to force the child on the character, and that reproducing is expected of all noble PCs and never creepily done IG? That being given a dimwit of an NPC as your spouse is a totally IC punishment for IC actions? Finally, you do understand that it was not staff that killed her? Everything that happened to Kitt was the consequence of IC actions. |
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Post by king on Apr 14, 2016 19:40:47 GMT -5
which mostly allow people to randomly spiel into vitriolic ranting. Do you and slink have the same ghost-writer for your posts, or is there now a secret subforum on that echo chamber you call the GDB where people post comeback copypasta? didn't you just kill a plot-driving pc a PC who only logged in twice a month, as an assassin of the Guild handed a Guild contract to kill him by your staff member and disappear through the nifty storage tool retire when this failed to generate any reaction?FTFY So I'm curious of something. Since you've opted to fill the Arm Whiteknight Quota for this board, what do you plan to do with that sweet karma you're sure you'll be rewarded for mindlessly equivocating in Arm's defense? Is there some sorcerer idea you've had brewing? Wait, sorry, those don't exist. Maybe you've always wanted to play a Nilazi, so you-- fuck. No, that's out too. Element-- nope. Uhhh. I guess you could still play a templar and... no, there's no Guild and the only other templar kills every even slightly competent criminal, and all of the desert activity is aimed at the elves. What the fuck are you planning to do with your shitposting karma? I'm completely unable to think of a use for it.
I know more about these clans than some staff members might. Make me a storyteller. 2016: Let's Make Armageddon Great Again For your "fix,"I explained that both Valorisk /and/ Balthazar were playing far more than once a month. You and Purg are just blindly taking newtwink's word. And how do I get karma from posting anonymously again? Do you honestly believe staff has a secret squad of players they send here? |
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 14, 2016 19:42:35 GMT -5
You do understand that they never once tied her down to force the child on the character So as long as Friday had the option of having his character killed, the staff didn't "force" the child on the character. Absolutely brilliant defense. You're a master at this. I am extremely curious how it is you "know" so much about the event, given you weren't on Mumble when Friday explained the entire thing. Are you making shit up off the top of your head in the hopes we're not better informed than you, or are you a staffer breaking that rule about participating here? For your "fix,"I explained that both Valorisk /and/ Balthazar were playing far more than once a month. Yes, and you ignored that you equivocated killing prominant PCs randomly with OT fulfilling a staff request. I totally didn't notice how flawlessly you avoided my point. And how do I get karma from posting anonymously again? To be fair, I referred to you as one of the Arm Whiteknights who believe they'll get karma for this. I never meant to imply you had any chance of success. |
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Post by king on Apr 14, 2016 19:52:17 GMT -5
I don't know what to say to IsFriday other than /all fucking noble PCs are expected to reproduce virtually if they live long enough/. It's kind of a thing, and I highly suggest players don't play the role if they don't want to virtually fuck an NPC.
Kitt did stupid things and was punished ICly for stupid things. That's it.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 14, 2016 20:09:50 GMT -5
I don't know what to say to IsFriday other than /all fucking noble PCs are expected to reproduce virtually if they live long enough/. It's kind of a thing, and I highly suggest players don't play the role if they don't want to virtually fuck an NPC. You pretty thoroughly avoided the question about how you magically know about the options Kitt was given by staff. So my money's on: You are staff. Good to know. You also dodged the equivocation thing again, but not being able to explain away where you were getting your intel from is far more interesting. |
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