Random thoughts and comments

Does it still take a week to special app stuff if you have no karma?

This is how you utilize journeyman combat skills (or abuse them, I guess)

1. Have 2 people
2. Have 1 person 'tank'
3. Have 1 person type charge, trample, sap, backstab, throw, whatever
4. After they have done the combat ability, type disengage, repeat

Example

Elrum and Aon were 2 rangers in Tuluk. During their tenure they basically led the volunteer patrols blah blah blah. Anyway the Faithful liked hunting kryl and going out into the grasslands so eventually it got to the point that we'd run into brutes or bahamets without any warning. Our method of handling them was an NPC HG or Elrum or a warrior with master shield would take aggro on the Bahamet via rescue or going into the room first. Then everyone else would come in and use charge while mounted and disengage. Successful charges could put the bahamet into a sitting state thus lowering the risk of it critting and making it easier to it. Since if you are not the primary target of attack you can disengage and it ends combat for you completely, you can basically reset abilities like charge/sap/backstab which require you to be outside of combat to initiate. Because you can spam it you don't need it to be at master, just Jman.

There's always AthasMUD.

Pickpockets get throw to at least advanced. I don't remember if it's a branch or what off, but it's one of the things that were added after the skill lists were posted. But yeah, doesn't matter, because unless you have AI strength throw sucks.

Journeyman sap is reliable enough that you can use it to start combats. You're just not going to be knocking anyone unconscious unless you follow up with some crits in the first few rounds of combat. This is not good for killing players because they can and will immediately flee. If your goal isn't to kill people, though, it's a fun enough little tool to have once your character isn't helpless in combat. If your goal is to kill people, should've rolled assassin, ranger or magicker.

I assume mid-level capped backstab is similar but worse, because you're probably never going to immediately kill someone the same way journeyman sap will occasionally get lucky and combo with some crits to immediately knock someone out.

nothing resets anymore than if u were the sole attacker. the only diff is that u wont be being the one being attacked, so yes u have room to disengage but u wont be able to sit, rest, flee, or any other useful thing until that same attack lag wears off

tldr: backstab/sap/anything lag doesnt wear off when u type disengage unless its a non-command command ie 'look' 'weather' score' 'stat' etc.

Jeshin you're going to make my twinking strategy get nerfed!!!

When you're trying to sap / backstab someone already in combat with someone else, you get a heavy penalty. I would go out and hit a chalton, and then disengage so it would keep trying to hit me while my recruits practiced backstabbing it. Pretty good stuff.