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Post by grumble on Feb 13, 2016 11:54:10 GMT -5
I guess the real question to ask, since we all know it's not preventable, would we rather have minors eating bars of xanax, downing vodka, and screwing, or will we tolerate it IG, so long as they spend an acceptable amount of time hacking eachother up with bone swords?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 12:43:31 GMT -5
Everyone else besides armafan - who shut the fuck up - and wants to talk about the sex with minors thing... Feel free to. Amongst yourself. My life is too fucked up as it is to entertain any notions that simulating sex acts with minors is fine, and I sure as fuck am not calling some help service as I need way more help than that.
I'm not the one who brought it but, but I do feel strongly about it. Like I've said before, I refuse to even try to have a romantic relationship in this game... why do you think most of my characters are hideous? I play this game for a lot of reasons, but getting my in game dick wet is NOT one of them; if that's why you play, make a fucking ATTEMPT to RL age/sex your partner so you don't feel like a PEDO like OTHER PLAYERS (not me) have in the past after discovering such
I said my piece on that months ago, I don't have any easy fixes, but if you want to emote sexing a little boy or girl, fine, that's your pejorative: I hope you get what you fucking deserve.
@mood - shut the fuck up. I'm sure you are Really street smart, but I did was look at the motherfucking word on urbandictionary. The only time I had heard it before was the FRESH PRINCE OF BEL AIR THEME SONG, like MANY of you... black people in Mississippi say many things, but HOLMES is not one of them. Clue: it doesn't fucking matter:
Holmes "Holmes" (L is not silent) is the correct Ebonics pronunciation which has a history of being used equivalently with, "dude", "guy", "man" or similar non-familiar alternatives not in the third person.
It was made popular in late 60s East Coast slang, and then later devolved into, "homes" (silent L) at which point it was incorrectly assumed to be short for, "homeboy".
"Homeboy" is typically expressed as a familiar, friendly term often in the third person.
Unlike homeboy, holmes can be used in a variety of ways to denote friendship, aggressiveness, or dubious curiousity. "What you lookin at holmes?"
"Nice score on that one holmes!"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 12:46:47 GMT -5
I guess the real question to ask, since we all know it's not preventable, would we rather have minors eating bars of xanax, downing vodka, and screwing, or will we tolerate it IG, so long as they spend an acceptable amount of time hacking eachother up with bone swords? i think more steps could be taken to prevent if from happening to protect BOTH the kid AND the adult, the latter of which from feeling like a pedo for simulating sex acts with a kid once or over a prolonged period of time. The majority of the time when this happens, it's either: A. a mistake B. the adult frankly doesn't care/the possibility of it isn't registering them. you cannot simple ignore as aspect of the game like this or it WILL come back to haunt you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 12:51:12 GMT -5
Arm has actually toned it down in that regard. I remember the Naki bazaar had a catamite npc wandering around....someone obviously removed him from the database. Prian Borsail had a little boy pleasure slave he toted around back in the day, which I genuinely doubt would happen in today's version of the game. I think it's like pms says. We don't really need the game to be even more corporatey for purposes of legal protection, with a little 'click here to agree' button after every action you take. I guess I just think there are more crucial discussions we could be having. When I initially brought up the topic, it WAS something that bothered me. The female PC stopped interacting with my char as much, and the effect was DEFINITELY felt in game. For me, it was a problem, one I didn't discuss for years. And I wouldn't be discussing it now if Arma fan hadn't brought it up flippantly in an attempt to make a point... and you see how that worked out for them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 12:54:38 GMT -5
Arm has actually toned it down in that regard. I remember the Naki bazaar had a catamite npc wandering around....someone obviously removed him from the database. Prian Borsail had a little boy pleasure slave he toted around back in the day, which I genuinely doubt would happen in today's version of the game. I think it's like pms says. We don't really need the game to be even more corporatey for purposes of legal protection, with a little 'click here to agree' button after every action you take. I guess I just think there are more crucial discussions we could be having. also, i would not come close to criticizing prian for that... or the presence of catamite PCs/NPCs ICly, it should not be wholesome gameworld. it should be as unwholesome as a Tarantino movie x actual prison sex x Requiem for a Dream x Texas Chainsaw Massacre. but even with all that, kids still should not be simulating sex acts with adults on ArmageddonMUD. And if you had ever felt weirdness or discomfort as a result of it, you might feel like I do.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2016 13:15:12 GMT -5
But I didn't say to call a help hotline. I said to report the crime you keep saying is happening. The old put up or shut up argument. Like you could even lie and say you reported it and I'd say okay proceed with your slanted statements about how arm enables pedos.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 13:15:51 GMT -5
to be CRYSTAL clear:
bringing up that topic is less about finger pointing and calling people monsters: no, i have never felt that someone was a monster for accidentally finding themselves in such a situation.
Why it's IMPORTANT is keeping that from happening against, both to prevent guilt on the adult's part and confusion/potential harm for the kid's part.
this isn't rocket science, it's not a witch hunt, it's merely something that we SHOULD be mindful of for VERY GOOD reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 13:26:48 GMT -5
But I didn't say to call a help hotline. I said to report the crime you keep saying is happening. The old put up or shut up argument. Like you could even lie and say you reported it and I'd say okay proceed with your slanted statements about how arm enables pedos. i said it happened to me. and no, i would never dare calling any sort of agency over someone who felt perfectly horrible over the entire deal in the first place. nearly twenty years ago. People reading this should come away with this little refresher than there ARE minors in this game if you're a sex hound long-dicked stud, just BE MINDFUL that there are MINORS who play this game. You don't want it to get to the point where people are like, ooc, psttt, that character's player is 15. yeah, he's really smart.... but he's 15. For Arm to be a healthy game, incidents like that should be avoided at all costs. How is this even open to debate, and why in the hell would people try to argue against that notion?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 13:28:21 GMT -5
I guarantee you ONE fucking thing: the adult player who was in that deal with me would agree with all the shit I've written on the subject.
she felt way worse than i did and would likely agree that there need to be preventatives - automated AND/OR ingrained in the PC culture of the game - to prevent repeats of such unfortunate situations.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 13:38:06 GMT -5
Another point in bringing up this topic is this:
In ArmageddonMUD, you have people policing/enforcing PETTY, RIDICULOUS bullshit in game... like, literally, it's their job or part time. And it just seems absurd to me that some of the STUPIDEST shit would be policed/monitored/arbitrarily enforced... whereas crap like what happened with me and that other player is basically ignored.
Yes, it seems to indicate that priorities on the "enforcement" side of things can be a bit skewed.
I don't think ArmageddonMUD is a haven for pedos, but there are some fucked up people in this world, and Arm is ripe for that sorta crap: whether intentionally or by mistake/accident, on the part of the player.
People say it's impossible to police, that is would just be more beaurocratic crap... but they have no problem at all with deleting a GDB post in 15 seconds. or nitpicking players to death/browbeating them over stupid shit.
But when it comes to enforcing some of the other parts of stuff that might be a little harder to figure out, well, it seems like shit slides between the cracks because focus is being put excessively on things that do not matter, at least not enough to punish/account note/judge people.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2016 13:57:24 GMT -5
Provide a potentialmeans to oversee and eenforce the eexistence of minors playing Arm
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 13:59:07 GMT -5
if i recall correctly, it was Halaster who pointed out my age to that player... I think it might have been because they started dating each other. I don't know. So actually, it was the Arm staff who stepped in. But it just wasn't soon enough. and it seems like, in time, with more and more and more and young people on the internet (not necessarily Arm) will call be greater protections for this sorta shit. Remember, I was of the first generations to be as immersed in the internet as it is. I have spent over half my life online, compared to my parents, who spent... 0 time online. malkeninthemiddle - not trying to fight, malken - pointed out that my mom should have been responsible for monitoring what I was typing. but now, you have parents like Samala, whose son plays/has played the game. A parent like her, who has spent a lot of time online, will be able to guide and protect her kid from things that my parents were oblivious to. When I also brought up the initial post, I was incredibly upset, or I probably wouldn't have broached the subject. Because it was hurtful to me as well, you know? Not because I felt intentionally exploited or preyed upon, but just because of the aura of weirdness that fell upon the entire situation. This was years and years before Chris Hansen, too, but it was just still incredibly uncomfortable. I think I could have went about better broaching the subject, but I'm sorry, I STILL believe it merits some discussion... but not in an accusatory way, in a trial or jury sort of way, not in a hostile way. For the game to be healthy and safe, this is simply something that, if action or policy doesn't cover it, we as PLAYERS must be mindful of. There are 15 year old who type like ten year olds, and there are ones who type like twenty years olds. Relying on mere intuition is going to just cause more problems down the road.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2016 14:04:16 GMT -5
I am 15 in this example.
I login to ARM
I verify I am 18+
I play the game
I am asked ooc consent and 18+?
I verify consent and 18+
How do you handle it, like give me the play by play.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 14:08:59 GMT -5
Provide a potentialmeans to oversee and eenforce the eexistence of minors playing Arm Well, I think that something like the EoE "contract" would be a good safeguard. It would allow for plausible deniability. There probably need to be more legal safeguards, to protect not only those playing it but ALSO the game as a whole. I DO think this is something that needs to be addressed, but the BEST thing till that happens is for players to take measures to protect themselves and, if they choose to mud sex, there needs to be either some legal clause SOMEWHERE. Telling players who are under eighteen that they can't play is ridiculous. Verifying that they're over eighteen may be impossible. But somehow, other sites, like porn sites, are able to protect themselves. I am worried about Arm as an entity, to be sure, and whatever legalese would be required to protect it in a court of law - though, as I pointed out before, you can be brought to court for ANYTHING as long as someone has the money - but what I am MORE CONCERNED ABOUT is avoiding awkward mistakes where an adult finds they've been simulating sex acts with a minor. This message might have been lost in the deluge of shit from the original thread, but I feel worse for her than anybody, and it was fucked up to even bring it up probably... but in critical about the game, it was something that had been in the back of my head for a long, long time. Clinically diagnosed pedophiles are probably second in concern to adults just being oblivious... but the former is out there, too. Real predators seem less of a concern to me than adults making mistakes or accidents, but they ARE out there, and they are something we SHOULD be mindful of in a game where there are seemingly few protections against such predations; we couldn't even protect ourselves from Nyr, FFS.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 13, 2016 14:13:50 GMT -5
You do realize that this is the argument we made last time. That even if someone rape role plays the daylights out of a character. If the player has no reason to suspect that the other player is underage that they are not liable for any child sex laws. All it takes is a simple, you must be 18 to play this game checkbox and everyone is covered legally. That's how porn sights and m rated game websites do it.
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