So I'm curious

I will say that I noticed that before I was banned off the forums. You could construct a very well worded, reasonable argument about something and why you feel X and Y and then someone would come in and get all upset and angry then go wild. They would lock the whole thread or throw it in moderation.

I'm not a fan of the moderation team as it sits, but I guess I "sorta" get it. I imagine the couple of them were trying to stem the flood with a finger in the dam like those old cartoons at times, so instead of that they just went draconic with the banning/locking etc.

I've never really been too upset when the same folks play sponsored roles, because honestly I don't really wanna play them. I think I played one Kadian in my nearly twenty years in this game and I hated it. I mean, I might try to play one again some day, but it will be more like just for shits and giggles to see.

If you have people who like to the do the social game, the aides, the events, the reports to staff all the time, then I say let them, cause I sure as hell don't. I assume most don't, which is probably why some sponsored roles will go vacant for a while. I honestly believe that it's less of "repicking dude a" and more of "Well only dude A applied again." But who knows, I could be wrong.

On the complaining about the inattentive leaders and such, I get that frustration, I don't really "need" leaders half the time with my players so I'm not affected by, but I imagine those in clans that need them are suffering. The issue with the GDB I think in regard to that subject is the rule of "You can't talk about it for a year." So if you go in and say, (Using an Kadius as an example since they are non-playable). "Tressy Kadius hasn't been available for a RL week, how am I supposed to play the game with no leadership?" (Or some flavor on the GDB) you're technically breaking the rules of talking about fight club within a year.

That type of shit I would recommend to just put in a request, the Player Feedback thing would probably work for that, where you're talking about someone but not necessarily hating on them, or loving on them.

I dunno, I was just curious as the subject said. I'm not holding anything against you guys who go wild on here, do what you want. But I guess I always thought MOST of this place was just old banned bitter players and reading recent posts I'm like, shit, these guys still play, and hate it. It's like someone who hits themself with a hammer and goes, OW THAT HURTS, but then hits themselves again heh.

This is happening to you, and you just don't realize it/internalize it/recognize it as an issue.

"Oh wow, I can bitch to staff and they don't change anything but at least they don't shut me down. They're reasonable!" 

Give me a break. You obviously haven't read 1/100th of the posts here. And a lot of us have stopped playing the game, or will return every couple years to see if the same problems are still occurring. Spoiler, they always are. I would take the time to seriously respond to your post in more depth, but to be honest, I wrote you off as soon as you described Halaster as a reasonable person.

You're talking about one of the biggest cheaters in Armageddon history who killed dozens and dozens of PCs on his immortal mage characters who he built entire castles for out in the Grey Forest while stringing along all the other rogue mages and pretending that they were part of his group. You should write in a request to inquire about that and see how far it gets you.

Armageddon actually sounds like the perfect game for you cerelum, so I'm glad you enjoy it, and I get why you don't understand why people with legitimate grievances complain about or leave the game. Continue writing requests that get no tangible results while staff whisper sweet nothings back to you. If that gets your rocks off, all the more power to you.

It comes down to standards.

Some people will complain and keep playing. Some people will never complain and keep playing. Some people will complain, leave and never come back. Some people fall somewhere in-between. Again, if you don't understand that... you may never. But maybe writing a request will help you understand?   Let the staff response tell you how to feel, what to think. Good pet.

I'm also furious about things that someone told me Halaster did twenty years ago and you better fucking believe I'm going to post about it like it's my job!

The whole reason that frame job of me didn't work, was that the person acted like I'd be furious my fifteen or so day played character died.

I don't really get all bent out of shape when I die, unless it's to the climb code insta-knockout thing, fuck that forever... So that's ultimately what lead to their little attempt to get me banned failing.

Now I understand there are some people who play characters for YEARS and get all sorts of upset when they die, I get it. But you gotta realize that people change over the years. We haven't been playing here for two months, most of us from the sounds of it have been playing for two decades or more. I think my first character was 2004-2005.

But again, you do you, that's fine if your perspective is colored from the days of Sanvean and Vanth, it just strikes me as odd to /still/ be that upset.

One of the things that got me banned from the Discord last or the time before last was that I was inferring that Muds, and Armageddon especially tend to attract some fucking DAMAGED people to play it! And as Mehtastic said, because it was a controversial topic and conversation and got everyone all in their feels they banned me for it.

You keep making this about you.

I don't understand why. No one gives a shit about you. This whole thread was supposed to be about you being curious (so curious) why people are upset/disgruntled with the game, and why some of them are still playing. We're trying to explain to you why this is the case... or lead you down the path of discovery. And your every response so far has been me, me, me. I, I, I.

When I write a request, when I play a character, when I started playing. It's even in the subject of the title. So I'm curious. I'm surprised you even made the post and didn't answer your own question in your own head. Here's some advice... if you want to understand other people, stop fixating on yourself. And you misinterpreted my attempt to "frame you", which is fine, I'm misunderstood often.

I was sucking on my mom's nipple in 2004. My perspective is formed through my own experiences, those who I have engaged in discourse with throughout the years and have corroborated similar experiences, and what has been documented on these forums and has maintained legitimacy/plausibility as more and more information has become available. It's called pattern recognition, it's called noticing, it's called intuition, it's called empathizing with others who share their own experiences instead of being fixated on your own narrow fish lens. Me, me, me. I, I, I.

But oh well.

If you've played Arm for any length of time you've seen players get screwed over by other players and staff. It happens routinely. I didn't quit the moment that I was unhappy about Arm and still kept hanging around for two more years in the game with major disillusionment. Circumstances and tolerance will vary from player to player. Also, people will cope with being part of a toxic community in different ways. I would tell myself that there was a few people that I liked to play with and I was just there to play with them despite every other player and staff.