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Post by generality on Aug 27, 2024 17:09:57 GMT -5
Someone needs to derail by talking about living in Florida or complaining about how newbies don't like eating their shit sandwich with extra gravel in it for the full grit experience.
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Post by pinkerdlu on Aug 27, 2024 17:22:15 GMT -5
Someone needs to derail by talking about living in Florida or complaining about how newbies don't like eating their shit sandwich with extra gravel in it for the full grit experience. This isn't the Arm discord man... We're due a Delerak post or maybe a psionic mind dump from the likes of grumble, Kronibas, whoever really.
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Post by alleys on Aug 27, 2024 17:35:48 GMT -5
After spending a couple months here and in game, for some active online people like in every online platform-subject (politic, guns, hiking, sports, whatever..) I feel Armageddon MuD is not the main hobby, but RL drama and gossip around its really -aging- playerbase is.
When it came out, I understood and like this forum's general idea, being a free of moderation and all. While internet was changing, communication of the game was not. I kind of felt this forum was natural result of it (how long has it been? 11 years?). Freedom of speech has chance to create intellectual and creative conversations (and I read and enjoyed some very smart posts here), but sometimes when the main subject (RPI MUDs in this case) attracts less people then people leaving, discussions are taken over the negative mood. Writing usually are not done by people whom like sharing their ideas but with their own words people with almost obsessive with it (possitive or mostly negative). Funny enough it reminds me a facebook group about my childhood neighbourhood.
Doublepalli's posts were one of the worst kind of discussions I have seen in the net. There is an adult who is going though and living with(self claimed and obvious to observe) some very serious problems. He is just trying to have a bit of fresh air with online games(For good or bad). We all know what is the gentle and kind way of dealing with such people. We do every day; Leaving him a bit of space, saying a few kind words, maybe giving some gentle suggestions, or simply like we most do; leaving them alone. But some posts were simply wrong, and maybe even dangerous. I don't believe world is of grey, sometimes there are rights and wrong. Trying to win arguments against an adult in that mental condition...
Say in such condition what if something serious happens? What that would say about this Forum and this group? Whose responsibility would it be? Moderators? I am not really sure what I personally would feel. Would it my resposibility? I really thought about those posts many times last a few days. Because he really seemed to care them a lot. I felt, I shouldn't write anything positive about my experience with that person's PC. A simple positive sentence.. I thought maybe that flamed the discussion. I don't want to be responsible of one person's single tear of pain if they shed.
Returning back, as I understand and see Armageddon Mud is the last RPI MUD alive with a bit of playerbase. Maybe because game world is that good, maybe past and current staff are better or more obsessive about the game then others Muds' , maybe power-game aspect of Diku is attractive, maybe just luck, I don't know. Whatever is the truth, this is the last bastion for a casual RPI MUD player. When it dies (of course it will one day), this hobby will die with it. And with it, this forum.
PS. I really think this game is many times more fun and seems healthy when you don't know any other player IRL. I hope you all have some friends you can speak while sharing a beer then seeking virtual people to gossip with.
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Post by uncoolio on Aug 27, 2024 17:57:52 GMT -5
Doublepalli's posts were one of the worst kind of discussions I have seen in the net. There is an adult who is going though and living with(self claimed and obvious to observe) some very serious problems. He is just trying to have a bit of fresh air with online games(For good or bad). We all know what is the gentle and kind way of dealing with such people. We do every day; Leaving him a bit of space, saying a few kind words, maybe giving some gentle suggestions, or simply like we most do; leaving them alone. But some posts were simply wrong, and maybe even dangerous. I don't believe world is of grey, sometimes there are rights and wrong. Trying to win arguments against an adult in that mental condition... That doesn't hold water. You can't retroactively scold people for being blunt with a person before he posted about his mental health. After he did that, people stopped talking to/about him. He came here acting like an absolute piece of shit, screaming about how he shouldn't have been banned and everyone's lying and the evidence is fabricated. People called him out on that because we all know it was a bunch of bullshit and he was banned for obvious reasons. Then he posted that he's bipolar and his dad just died or whatever it was, and people offered their condolences and left it at that.
If I punch you in the face, and you punch me back, and I declare afterwards that I'm mentally ill, that doesn't make you a person who goes around punching mentally ill people. It makes you a person who punches people who punch you. Doublepalli was called out for being a terrible player and a known cheat, and when he tried to claim that everything was just lies and the game's entire community was conspiring against him, he was rightfully mocked for that. Nobody attacked him for his mental health. He posted that afterwards, when he saw that he didn't have a leg to stand on.
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Post by generality on Aug 27, 2024 19:52:26 GMT -5
That struck me as classic victim card play, sorry. I'm not interested in being questioned on my ethics for one of the oldest ruses on the internet.
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Post by punished ppurg on Aug 27, 2024 20:24:11 GMT -5
Say in such condition what if something serious happens? What that would say about this Forum and this group? Whose responsibility would it be? Moderators? I am not really sure what I personally would feel. Would it my resposibility? Let's not entertain the proposition that the posts on this forum have any agency in overriding the decisions of someone's autonomy, bodily or otherwise. If this were the case, we would have fixed Armageddon by now. If the thoughts posted on this forum could force people to do things, then Armageddon would be fixed; but Arm isn't fixed: proof by contradiction. This is a slippery slope — the entertaining that someone's poor mental health and the consequences thereof are thereby the burden of others who engaged with that person (conveniently, always in a particular way that the person didn't concur with). There is some real merit to the idea of driving someone to self-harm, or targeted pursuit of harassment and cyberbullying et cetera; but this is a shadow board, where there's only aliases, and nobody is pursuing anyone anywhere. If I am to be inflicted with the guilt of someone's condition, then it is only fair that I am also inflicted with the responsibility of treating them. Let's begin with routine Thorazine 50mg intramuscular every 4 hours, over the course of 6 months of intensive internet addiction therapy.
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Post by mehtastic on Aug 28, 2024 6:38:31 GMT -5
PS. I really think this game is many times more fun and seems healthy when you don't know any other player IRL. I hope you all have some friends you can speak while sharing a beer then seeking virtual people to gossip with. Of course the game "seems healthy" when you don't know anyone playing it. Because in that situation, you can play in complete ignorance of the fact that you will always be a pawn in the eyes of the players who have friends on staff, constantly score sponsored roles, and form cliques to predetermine which PCs are going to be in their trusted inner circle. That is the main challenge RPIs struggle with when it comes to player retention. Everyone says they want newbies. Nobody actually trusts newbies. Every other new account on Armageddon gets a staff-only note saying something along the lines of "This is probably a former player. Please watch closely." The newbies don't have access to the cliques, so they will always be seen as lesser, if not potential traitors thanks to the game's setting. So when the vets in these cliques say "just play the game and ignore the community" what they're really saying is they need more pawns to manipulate into risking their PCs and their accounts. If they actually gave a shit about the newbie experience, they would make a friendlier and more welcoming community. The fact that they don't speaks volumes about their true intentions.
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Post by prodoman on Aug 28, 2024 7:04:49 GMT -5
Yeah I wasnt cheating, and I know what they 'saw' now, which wasnt cheating.
I know what their 'proof' was, do you?
So kindly fuck off and leave my name out of your fucking mouth.
Unless you have proof of me cheating, go fuck yourself
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Post by generality on Aug 28, 2024 7:57:19 GMT -5
I think the fact that varietal scrabs (some are easy, some are not at all) and scorpions right outside the gates of the starter city and the fact that there are more or less instant death areas in the starter city is enough evidence that Arm has zero newbie experience in mind. In fact, players who try to help newbies with anything other than barking instructions at them on OOC are actively discouraged from doing so by their 'peers'.
That and as stated above, the good old boys and their quest to bring a gritty experience to the youngsters that have the audacity of getting on their lawn. Oh and Hestia, but she is pretty much exactly the same.
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Post by Jeshin on Aug 28, 2024 8:38:16 GMT -5
Yeah I wasnt cheating, and I know what they 'saw' now, which wasnt cheating. I know what their 'proof' was, do you? So kindly fuck off and leave my name out of your fucking mouth. Unless you have proof of me cheating, go fuck yourself This is more curiosity than relevance, but are you unbanned?
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Post by gringoose on Aug 28, 2024 10:03:16 GMT -5
When I played there would be people that led death stacks of spiders or the black beetles just outside the gates of Allanak to give people an introduction to the Armageddon experience. It was always disappointing to meet a newbie then find them dead to one of these stacks. Imagine someone that's been playing Arm for decades at this point whipping up stacks of spiders so they can get a random PK without attracting any heat from staff. These people exist and play Arm.
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Post by mehtastic on Aug 28, 2024 10:53:51 GMT -5
Leading silt horrors to the clay village is another common troll move. Or mekillots to the space between the north wall and the chasm, for extra fun in fleeing.
If only the staff had some sort of way to figure out what is going here. Some sort of log that shows the commands players are running and in what rooms. Hmmmm...
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Aug 28, 2024 11:17:55 GMT -5
Leading silt horrors to the clay village is another common troll move. Or mekillots to the space between the north wall and the chasm, for extra fun in fleeing. If only the staff had some sort of way to figure out what is going here. Some sort of log that shows the commands players are running and in what rooms. Hmmmm... UM SIR THE WORLD SI HARSH YOU SEE
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Post by mehtastic on Aug 29, 2024 6:29:58 GMT -5
Yeah I wasnt cheating, and I know what they 'saw' now, which wasnt cheating. I know what their 'proof' was, do you? So kindly fuck off and leave my name out of your fucking mouth. Unless you have proof of me cheating, go fuck yourself This is more curiosity than relevance, but are you unbanned? I am going to guess his multiple requests in which he called Usiku just about every nasty thing you can call a woman did not, in fact, get him unbanned from Armageddon. It most likely also did not get him unbanned from the other RPIs those requests were shared with.
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Post by baron on Aug 29, 2024 13:51:21 GMT -5
This is more curiosity than relevance, but are you unbanned? I am going to guess his multiple requests in which he called Usiku just about every nasty thing you can call a woman did not, in fact, get him unbanned from Armageddon. ...
on the other hand, it's Armageddon, so...maybe?
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