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Post by generality on Aug 9, 2024 17:44:34 GMT -5
Arm is tainted by its old boys club, corrupted by it, held back by it and tarnished by it.
I have given up trying to do anything meaningful in Arm, as I am not one of the people with the correct attributes to be trusted with amazing plot cookies and anything but superficial staff support.
And the worst part about that is I'm not alone.
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delirium
Clueless newb
grumpy cat
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Post by delirium on Aug 9, 2024 19:04:48 GMT -5
Looking back at the last few years of when I still played, the best times I had was rolling around as an indie. I was able to go where the interaction was, and I was able to peace out and do solo stuff if the mood struck. I didn't have to deal with staff, there was no schedule, I wasn't "locked in" to dealing with specific players due to being in a clan. Basically, I spent all of my playtime developing my character and playing SimDesert until someone or something came along that entertained me.
The moment I joined a clan, especially if I got locked into one without the option to leave, the game would become a source of stress.
I figured for the longest time that I just didn't play well with others, but... the amount of crazy hijinks and stories I played out in those last years while being notoriously antisocial OOC... puts the lie to that. In retrospect it's obvious. The structural parts of the game are antithetical to fun. Unless "fun" to you is OOC drama and treating the game like a job.
It's funny and bittersweet to skim through these threads. I'm not sure why I still bother. I guess a 20 year old hobby will always have a bit of a train-wreck style lure to it. And/or maybe it's validating to see that the nonsense is just as nonsensical as I expected it to be. Either way. I am Amos' complete lack of surprise.
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Post by gloriousschemernewb on Aug 10, 2024 6:58:54 GMT -5
Honestly, you are all better hosting AD&D game with good DM and playing it in Armageddon setting, imo.
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Post by generality on Aug 10, 2024 7:56:56 GMT -5
Absolutely, it makes me laugh when staffers use the running a D&D game analogy for how Arm should be run, and then don't run Arm like that at all.
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Post by gloriousschemernewb on Aug 13, 2024 0:34:22 GMT -5
Currently on vacation myself but I am willing to give it one last spin with someone from EU area if they are willing to hobble newbie around and play together (dont really care about "will give you info" help, sorry) - even if for fun of the mechanics and getting more would to steal for tabletop (pm is best contact)
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jjhardy
Displaced Tuluki
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Post by jjhardy on Aug 14, 2024 20:26:19 GMT -5
Fuck the game, why play when one day, six dudes will follow you into a room and gank you and that's an end to your game.? I got killed years ago this way, more than once, this is why I haven't played in close to a decade.
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Post by catacost on Aug 25, 2024 18:49:03 GMT -5
I'm a new player - so I'm not jaded like most of the posters here. For any other curious would be players... Arm is a very cool game, like most games, the less you focus on the mechanics and the less you look for problems, the better off your experience will be. That is if you're in it for the world, theme, etc. Just play the game blind, enjoy the discovery and the RP. There is no shortage of content for a brand new player to struggle through, and that can be fun to the right person (me).
However... avoid the GDB or Discord at all costs. Like any place on the internet a few bad apples spoil the bunch. I think the staff/mods are honestly trying their best, bearing in mind they are volunteers and are likely trying to balance keeping the old veteran neckbeards appeased while simultaneously trying to protect the newbies from their ire.
I've since logged out of the forum and muted Discord, opting to instead just pay attention to the #announcements channel in Discord so I can stay up to date on events.
By the way I don't think this problem is at all unique to Arm, but it might be amplified by some of the history surrounding it.
In short, play the game if you haven't, it's very cool, avoid the out of game channels.
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mehtastic
GDB Superstar
Armers Anonymous sponsor
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Post by mehtastic on Aug 26, 2024 4:48:46 GMT -5
Fun fact: if you don't agree to the Discord rules, or rescind your agreement by un-reacting, you'll just have access to the help channel and the announcements channel, which should be all you need.
That being said, "just play the game and ignore the community" is and has always been a dogshit way to promote a game about roleplaying with other people, and anyone with half a brain in the MUD community knows that this is a signal that the people playing the game are complete assholes who cannot be trusted to focus on roleplay. This argument only works as a coping mechanism for Armageddon players to continue playing Armageddon with people they find annoying or outright detest. This also goes for Sindome, another game where a similar argument is tried.
Play Armageddon through a gloryhole if you want, but let's not pretend the chances that the person on the other side is holding an axe isn't 50-50.
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Post by catacost on Aug 26, 2024 8:34:11 GMT -5
I think you’re over estimating the overlap in the GDB poster/player Venn diagram. It’s pretty easy math, just count up the number of shitheads on GDB (handful) over the number of active PCs (30-50).
It’s just how gaming communities are (including MUDs), OOC channels attract the dicks.
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mehtastic
GDB Superstar
Armers Anonymous sponsor
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Post by mehtastic on Aug 26, 2024 9:30:11 GMT -5
It's indicative of a problem with the game that the community cannot talk civilly to each other unless forced. It shows that there are enough people who play the game who are avoiding the OOC community because they are wary of assholes. These assholes do not magically become non-assholes when they are playing the game, and those who tell themselves otherwise are just lying to themselves.
This lack of magic is evident in all of the policies the staff have laid out in the last few years to basically enforce in-game courtesy, from regular updates to consent rules to the new player-vs-player guidelines. Armageddon's history would not mostly be a history of sex pests and power-trippers having their way with the game if it was just a few bad apples.
This is not a phenomenon that touches all MUDs, either. It's mostly just the old RPIs. Other RP MU*s such as the new RPIs and many MUSHes have OOC channels that the majority of players participate in. There is obviously a difference between games like Armageddon, Sindome, and Haven vs. other RP games and communities.
It's also worth noting that many newbies who insist on playing the old RPIs go through a honeymoon phase of about six months before they start realizing they're being treated like dirt.
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Post by catacost on Aug 26, 2024 10:58:28 GMT -5
I am sure I am in said honeymoon. I'm trying to stay in it by avoiding the assholes OOC.
What are some of these new RPIs you're referring to that you think have a good community? I'd like to check those out too.
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Post by terminal on Aug 26, 2024 12:02:29 GMT -5
decrying a shitty community while being an extremely active and unmistakably toxic part of said community
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Jeshin
GDB Superstar
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Post by Jeshin on Aug 26, 2024 12:43:17 GMT -5
I wouldn't really bother with Terminal's input. They're basically that episode of South Park where they attend the baseball game to get into a drunken fight. He's just a bleacher bum.
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Post by terminal on Aug 26, 2024 12:56:59 GMT -5
did you come to that conclusion before or after you were bothered by my input re: stalking that woman
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Post by catacost on Aug 26, 2024 13:27:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't really bother with Terminal's input. They're basically that episode of South Park where they attend the baseball game to get into a drunken fight. He's just a bleacher bum. Honestly I couldn't even parse his post. I can't tell who or what he's mad at lol.
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