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Post by High Sun Freeze Gun on Jun 13, 2024 12:05:57 GMT -5
The lonely hunter/Sahtuk was given One of the two Templar roles after staff promising Armageddon players they gave the two players who lost their month long Templars another chance.. Bias favoritism to the same assholes once again.
Not a huge surprise considering they also let IsFriday be on staff.
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Post by mehtastic on Jun 13, 2024 12:58:40 GMT -5
Although I can't 100% verify this, I will just say I would not be surprised if it were true.
I also think that anyone expecting the staff to seriously change their ways are doing so on nothing but the assumption that the staff will hold true to their word, something that have struggled with severely in the past. There is absolutely no evidence that Armageddon staff are an honest body.
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Post by pinkerdlu on Jun 13, 2024 15:02:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised either.
Sahtuk would be a decent player if he wasn't such a play-to-win (powergamer) asshole. Classic Armageddon sociopath. If he takes a chill pill and remembers to include all types of players in his shenanigans, it might not be so bad for the players trapped in Allanak with him. As I've said countless times before, Templars and most sponsored roles don't promote good roleplay. The players in these roles pretty much get away with whatever they want as long as they have a staff member or two backing them up.
Edit to add: pof Sahtuk went from playing Sahtuk, to a sponsored Guild mul, to a sponsored Northern Templar. Sahtuk was Shabago's favorite... and if they're still basing these rolecalls on who has the credentials and 'cleanest record', then why wouldn't they continue to pick him for the most important roles? Fuck what the players think, eh?
I've literally seen nothing to suggest that staffers like Halaster, Usiku or any of the goons that they let onto the staff team, have learned anything from a decade of decadence, decline and pointed critique from the playerbase, as represented by these forums. Everything feels like business as usual; like things will be the exact same as before the closure and Seasons announcement.
Edit continued: If they (the staff) had actually learned anything, they would have moved away from the sponsored roles. It's a stupid, busted precedent that fits in perfectly with the history of staff favoritism within Armageddon. Why not design a system where player characters can enter into leadership roles or elevated position of status through... oh I don't know... in-character actions? Based on how other characters view or perceive them? Meritocracy, ever heard of it?
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Post by punished ppurg on Jun 13, 2024 15:53:29 GMT -5
Sahtuk's app for Templar came in and the staff team went, stop the count! Close the rolecall 4 days early! This is the guy that we need, forget about the rest of the community.
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Post by Patuk on Jun 13, 2024 16:00:36 GMT -5
Although I can't 100% verify this, I will just say I would not be surprised if it were true. It is. More than one chatty member of the staff team has (righteously) complained about it. You're either mixing up cities, or you're leaving out his second shot at playing a southern Templar, Kahzik, which he kept on doing until the game's closure.
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Post by mehtastic on Jun 13, 2024 16:03:06 GMT -5
Ahh, yeah, that would have been how he earned his right of first refusal on the templar role. What a game.
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Post by Patuk on Jun 13, 2024 16:13:06 GMT -5
Right of first refusal or not, there are approximately two gazillion other people they coulda picked. This was a choice they consciously made.
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Post by mehtastic on Jun 13, 2024 16:20:25 GMT -5
Absolutely. They could have said "you can pick whatever you want, but not a templar". They let him pick a templar and now a sizeable portion of the staff team is disgruntled before the game even opens. Only geniuses get to be on staff.
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Post by pinkerdlu on Jun 13, 2024 16:56:33 GMT -5
You're either mixing up cities, or you're leaving out his second shot at playing a southern Templar, Kahzik, which he kept on doing until the game's closure. I was just describing a string of 3 characters from that player, which serves to highlight the kind of favoritism that was occurring, whether deserved or otherwise. That piece of information (concerning their final character) certainly brings this issue full circle. Can't help but wonder whether the storyteller for the Templarate stepping away from the game right before launch has anything to do with this. I'm not saying it was the sole factor, but it could have certainly been a contributing factor. If I have a family matter happening IRL, and I have senior staff members put a renowned shitter into one of two(?) templar roles that I'd be responsible for, that would only serve as motivation for me to drop it all and step away. I'm unlikely to speculate on this further, because frankly I don't know. None of this shines a very positive spotlight on the management of Seasons.
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Post by High Sun Freeze Gun on Jun 13, 2024 21:22:08 GMT -5
The new Tor noble is also a familiar player who was a noble when Sahtuk was alive.
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Post by mehtastic on Jun 14, 2024 4:24:13 GMT -5
You can just say Bast here.
I think it's odd how she even has a place in the community at all after she was pro-Shalooonsh up until the exact moment staff turned against him and tossed him out. It's almost like the white knights that cover for staff's behavior the most, also have the most reason to do so thanks to being afforded the most privileges from staff to play what they want and do whatever they want.
I feel a little bit bad for the players that thought they actually had a chance in the recent round of role calls. With four new staff members, you would think the staff would have a bit more autonomy in choosing the actual best person for the role instead of choosing the same old people who have ingratiated themselves to staff for the specific purpose of getting roles. But no, it seems those staff barely had a hand in selecting these players at all, and a large portion of the selection was done by the producers that were either honoring shady ROFR deals or simply insisting on "safe picks".
I only know of 2 people in the recent round who are new to sponsored roles that were selected, and they were all on the lower end of the power scale. The nobles and templars are all just going to be the same characters played by the same players. Obviously the best way to start season one is to just have season zero all over again, right?
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Post by sawbot on Jun 14, 2024 5:56:20 GMT -5
Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same fucking thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change... That. Is. Crazy. The first time somebody told me that, I dunno, I thought they were bullshitting me, so, I shot him. The thing is... He was right. And then I started seeing, everywhere I looked, everywhere I looked all these fucking pricks, everywhere I looked, doing the exact same fucking thing... over and over and over and over again thinking 'this time is gonna be different' no, no, no please... This time is gonna be different.
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Post by generality on Jun 23, 2024 18:39:43 GMT -5
I feel a little bit bad for the players that thought they actually had a chance in the recent round of role calls. I feel bad for the players who think aside from grossly bloated amounts of stuff in the stockpiles and absolutely nothing to greb, hunt or subsistence sell that the game is any different. The gameplay loops are the same, the complaints are the same, even the signposting organized 'role playing' options through spawning wierd humanoid bandit/mercenary/raider types. From what I have seen, even with the suggestion that players have more agency being tossed about by staff, I don't think they really do.
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Post by Patuk on Jun 23, 2024 18:50:54 GMT -5
From what I have seen, even with the suggestion that players have more agency being tossed about by staff, I don't think they really do. They do. I can see it happening in-game, in multiple ways for multiple clans.
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Post by pinkerdlu on Jun 23, 2024 18:58:31 GMT -5
I feel a little bit bad for the players that thought they actually had a chance in the recent round of role calls. I feel bad for the players who think aside from grossly bloated amounts of stuff in the stockpiles and absolutely nothing to greb, hunt or subsistence sell that the game is any different. The gameplay loops are the same, the complaints are the same, even the signposting organized 'role playing' options through spawning wierd humanoid bandit/mercenary/raider types. From what I have seen, even with the suggestion that players have more agency being tossed about by staff, I don't think they really do. Yeah, I'm really curious of what, if any, convincing examples there are of increased player agency. You can buy a warehouse after a week of grinding coin instead of waiting a few rl months? You can... special app... a Trooper or Private instead of waiting 6 rl weeks for a promotion? You can plow elves and gemmed without being discriminated against. Special sponsored roles can selectively hire minions to pursue staff-delegated plotlines. Promotion is quicker because they've finally realized that it's good to fill leadership roles. I mean... That's certainly something. That's some real agency. By all measures, it's the same game with a shoddy paint job. I've been trying to refrain from actively shitting on people's parades, outside of my Honest Review thread; I try not to be too much of an asshole, or too crass, too disappointing. I'm glad that the game feels alive and magical to some people. In my view, those people... are simple people with poor taste. Oh well. Wait... guys there's bandits outside! Rally, rally, for Allanak! For the Shady Oasis! YAAARGH! They do. I can see it happening in-game, in multiple ways for multiple clans. I would love for you to elaborate with specific & convincing examples.
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