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Post by Azerbanjani on Nov 11, 2023 0:22:49 GMT -5
This is completely normal staffing behavior. I too stalk people who I barely know
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Post by punished ppurg on Nov 11, 2023 7:35:32 GMT -5
Could the Nergal intimidation "the vicious trolls sent me pictures of the outside of my house" line from when he quit, (which was blamed on shadowboarders by the way) have been one of the Gmail suite administrators snooping his geolocational information and sharing it with the cabal that was sandbagging Nergal from removing Shalooonsh from the community? How deep did the Looonsh love go with some of these nerds?
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Post by psyxypher on Nov 12, 2023 1:06:31 GMT -5
You seem like a swell guy Bebop so don't take it personally when I say that this is kind of stating the obvious.
I guess you're putting it into more digestible terms for people who are unfamiliar with cult tactics, at least. But this still really seems like just being the guy to point out the Emperor's floppy dick is hanging out.
My comment on the matter further reinforces my idea that Armageddon is not meant to be an RPI but a PvE/PVP game. However, this also goes into my belief on governance. Specifically, the idea that getting rid of the people causing this problem would change nothing. The system needs to be built to make this kind of abuse difficult to impossible in the first place. Of course some other games probably don't have this issue, so perhaps it's truly a cultural issue for Arm.
I also disagree with the idea that everyone should do therapy but that's another topic.
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Post by mehtastic on Nov 12, 2023 6:25:43 GMT -5
It's harder though when you understand that women's lives and bodies were actually compromised in the real world with Armageddon MUD as the conduit. That's what scares me about the new karma system and a cult culture more than anything. Armageddon staff always used its karma system as a vehicle for controlling people who care way too much about the game and about people-pleasing. The mere existence of a karma system already opens the door to trading favors. It is almost never explicit, but implied. A staff member can easily manipulate a player into doing certain things in certain ways. Suppose that I am a player and I report that I'm going to kill Bob. I have a foolproof plan and everything. My staff member reads this report and realizes their mortal character has an IC interest in keeping Bob alive, or even just an OOC one like "Bob is played by a friend" or "Bob ERPs well". A staff member might slip a line into a report like, "As long as you're aware of the consequences of killing Bob!" Now I read this line and I think that there will be consequences, even if I think my PC got away with it. I might be inclined to back off from my original plan. This is possible with the current karma system, but with the new one STs can put their hands on the scale harder than ever. They can award karma to people that take the hint and act in alignment with their personal interest, and remove karma from people who do not. Will it happen for sure? Hard to say. But in general, when a system allows for something, someone will eventually take advantage of it. If Armageddon didn't already have a strong cult-like tendency, it almost certainly will once someone on staff learns how to expertly exploit this loophole and make sure that higher-karma players tend to be more aligned with staff personal interests, and lower-karma players are more out of the loop. On a similar note, anyone remember that one accusation a few years before Shalooonsh's exposure, where a newbie claimed he was propositioning her for ERP in exchange for a startup boost in the game? I'm sure that will never happen now that you can literally award points to people directly.
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Post by rheaghe on Nov 13, 2023 16:20:34 GMT -5
Hi I'm much less polite when accused of shit than I am when I am engaging in an open discussion.
So, your response to being harassed, is to mention a bunch of people talking about the game. In an attempt to level rather stupid fucking claims at them. That seems cogent, healthy, and ultimately a good position to have for your continued mental wellbeing.
You need to back the fuck off. Keep other peoples names off your fucking lips. That's my first bit of advice. It will make you look better to not accuse someone who quite literally nearly destroyed their last games staff base and user base after they decided to show how corrupt they were.
And I did that after running a literal 40 man shadow server akin to these boards, in defiance of that games rules, for 5 years without staff detection.
That said I do not engage in echo chambers. I actively resent that you posted me here out of context. Because the majority of the voices in that thread were speaking one way, and I was one of three running counter to the old modes of thought being presented, or those panicking to support the status quo.
That said addressing the quote where you took me out of context.
What I told Halaster is fact. A lesser person WOULD have just ghosted and abandoned the game. Especially under that level of scrutiny and critique. Him staying around shows a measure of pride, or character that few people show these days. I don't know if I or you would have had that level of willpower Bebop.
What I said about Arm, is a definitive fact. Good games adapt. Bad games die. Up till the point where they started to get their fucking shit together. Arm was and largely has still been dying. At least since it's hay days. Which I was not present for. Whether Arm is going to die or not is up to the choices they make. And that's all I was attempting to point out.
You don't trust the arm staff members. That's obvious. That's fine. So fuck off. And avoid that shit like the plague. Don't attempt to drag other people into the mud in which you wallow.
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Post by punished ppurg on Nov 13, 2023 16:39:02 GMT -5
Hi I'm much less polite when accused of shit than I am when I am engaging in an open discussion. So, your response to being harassed, is to mention a bunch of people talking about the game. In an attempt to level rather stupid fucking claims at them. That seems cogent, healthy, and ultimately a good position to have for your continued mental wellbeing. You need to back the fuck off. Keep other peoples names off your fucking lips. That's my first bit of advice. It will make you look better to not accuse someone who quite literally nearly destroyed their last games staff base and user base after they decided to show how corrupt they were. And I did that after running a literal 40 man shadow server akin to these boards, in defiance of that games rules, for 5 years without staff detection. That said I do not engage in echo chambers. I actively resent that you posted me here out of context. Because the majority of the voices in that thread were speaking one way, and I was one of three running counter to the old modes of thought being presented, or those panicking to support the status quo. That said addressing the quote where you took me out of context. What I told Halaster is fact. A lesser person WOULD have just ghosted and abandoned the game. Especially under that level of scrutiny and critique. Him staying around shows a measure of pride, or character that few people show these days. I don't know if I or you would have had that level of willpower Bebop. What I said about Arm, is a definitive fact. Good games adapt. Bad games die. Up till the point where they started to get their fucking shit together. Arm was and largely has still been dying. At least since it's hay days. Which I was not present for. Whether Arm is going to die or not is up to the choices they make. And that's all I was attempting to point out. You don't trust the arm staff members. That's obvious. That's fine. So fuck off. And avoid that shit like the plague. Don't attempt to drag other people into the mud in which you wallow. lol what the fuck?
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Post by mehtastic on Nov 13, 2023 18:56:24 GMT -5
You need to back the fuck off. Keep other peoples names off your fucking lips. That's my first bit of advice. It will make you look better to not accuse someone who quite literally nearly destroyed their last games staff base and user base after they decided to show how corrupt they were. [snip] You don't trust the arm staff members. That's obvious. That's fine. So fuck off. And avoid that shit like the plague. Don't attempt to drag other people into the mud in which you wallow. Ideally, if you're going to take offense to being quoted as an example of how the game is elitist, you wouldn't respond with condescension and delusion about "destroying games". But here you are.
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Post by rheaghe on Nov 13, 2023 20:14:44 GMT -5
You need to back the fuck off. Keep other peoples names off your fucking lips. That's my first bit of advice. It will make you look better to not accuse someone who quite literally nearly destroyed their last games staff base and user base after they decided to show how corrupt they were. [snip] You don't trust the arm staff members. That's obvious. That's fine. So fuck off. And avoid that shit like the plague. Don't attempt to drag other people into the mud in which you wallow. Ideally, if you're going to take offense to being quoted as an example of how the game is elitist, you wouldn't respond with condescension and delusion about "destroying games". But here you are. Hey friend, this isn't about how a game is elitist don't fucking back pedal that shit. It's about it being cult like. Which yeah I could see, know what else is cult-like, Pepsi, Coke, McDonalds, any sports team that matters, any celebrity of note's fandom. However a quote from someone arguing against the mass of people inculcated into that cult is fucking stupid. It's beyond fucking stupid. It's outright fucking stupid. I'm going to respond with condescension because Bebop dragged my ass into this by using my words in a negative fashion. To prove a point that doesn't need to be made, because it is ultimately pointless. So fuck off to you too for defending them. As far as delusional goes, tell that to my last game(Sindome). That still protects an abusive stalker of a staffer, going so far as to change his bit name, and vote MULTIPLE times to keep him in spite of proven allegations that he stalks users, and added on a man who's single character played is and was a blatant stereotype of a black AAVE speaking pimp. While the player themselves is a DA for one of the most abusive police forces in the country. Who's staff at one point voted to unban a person who had committed stalking, violated the rules on sexual harassment in game, violated the rules on in game rape, and they did this, because they expected the player bases reaction to be, "funny." That requested to see and review my personal facebook account to be sure I wasn't a banned member, last time I applied to staff, well before I was banned. That spends more time on installing IP tracking and digital fingerprinting software into their website than most government websites do. Stitch up that gut. What's went on in Arm isn't unique. It's a fucking endemic of the genre. I'm not saying to overlook it when it occurs. I'm saying keep the average fucking user out of your god damn mouth when you complain about shit.
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Post by mehtastic on Nov 13, 2023 20:55:35 GMT -5
rheaghe, you were literally quoted in the section describing how the cult is elitist. "Using your words in a negative fashion" by... literally copying and pasting what you said? Also, why would I or anyone here care about what you did at Sindome? You just decided to make all about yourself because you were quoted?
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Post by rheaghe on Nov 13, 2023 21:18:11 GMT -5
rheaghe , you were literally quoted in the section describing how the cult is elitist. "Using your words in a negative fashion" by... literally copying and pasting what you said? Also, why would I or anyone here care about what you did at Sindome? You just decided to make all about yourself because you were quoted? No. And I'm done engaging with you because you are arguing in bad faith and ignoring the thrust to pick at edges. I've done shit like what bebop is doing here, and when I did it. I make damn sure, when I make something like this, I ask people if I can quote them. Or if I can use their fucking words in a post like this. That shows consideration. I'm literally a discord message or reddit message away. And I believe Bebop knows that, as IIRC we've talked in the past about how toxic RPI's are. The only time I don't ask is when it's the words of the people I'm directly attacking, that cohere with logic for you? Don't draw people into your drama who may not appreciate being drawn in and used as drama fuel. My quote there by the way, was in a thread where I spent a few days, advocating for a less toxic Armageddon. That's the context that's missing.
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Post by jcarter on Nov 13, 2023 21:21:09 GMT -5
I've done shit like what bebob is doing here, and when I did it. I make damn sure, when I make something like this, I ask people if I can quote them. Or if I can use their fucking words in a post like this. That shows consideration. am i understanding this correctly, you are upset about a post you made on a publicly viewable forum being quoted?
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Post by rheaghe on Nov 13, 2023 21:24:23 GMT -5
I've done shit like what bebob is doing here, and when I did it. I make damn sure, when I make something like this, I ask people if I can quote them. Or if I can use their fucking words in a post like this. That shows consideration. am i understanding this correctly, you are upset about a post you made on a publicly viewable forum being quoted? Fuck off. I am upset that of all the fucking posts on that forum. She chose mine, alone, and those of a bunch of staffers, as a way to spread drama. And used it as an example of a fucking tenant I hold in disgust.
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Post by jcarter on Nov 13, 2023 21:25:16 GMT -5
am i understanding this correctly, you are upset about a post you made on a publicly viewable forum being quoted? Fuck off. I am upset that of all the fucking posts on that forum. She chose mine, alone, and those of a bunch of staffers, as a way to spread drama. And used it as an example of a fucking tenant I hold in disgust. watch your attitude or else i will quote more of your posts. you have been warned!
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Post by rheaghe on Nov 13, 2023 21:27:23 GMT -5
Fuck off. I am upset that of all the fucking posts on that forum. She chose mine, alone, and those of a bunch of staffers, as a way to spread drama. And used it as an example of a fucking tenant I hold in disgust. watch your attitude or else i will quote more of your posts. you have been warned! Fuck if I care. I'd only really care if you used them to support something I'm not in favor of supporting. Or as drama bait.
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Post by jcarter on Nov 13, 2023 22:00:07 GMT -5
I support the ebonics sindome lawyer repent!
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