najdorf
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Post by najdorf on Apr 19, 2024 9:34:56 GMT -5
Over 20 karma review requests have been resolved, so I figured I'd ask a friend what the typical distribution of gains has been, to help players have a think about whether they're getting screwed over or not. Most karma review applicants started with 3 karma before the game closed, which got converted to 6. Most 3->6-karma players got +1 karma. 2->4 karma applicants: roughly even split between +2 and +3 karma. 1->2 karma applicants: two people got +5, most of the rest got +3 0->0 karma applicants: bumped up to 2 karma for "fair play" So most people who are applying are ending up around 5-7 karma except for the 0 karma people. I think if you're a player that has ended up with less, now's probably a good time to consider why staff have decided you should be at the bottom of the barrel at the game's start. Also if you're very eager for Season One to start, expect it to be absolutely flooded with magickers -- especially Whirans, Drovians, and Elkrosians. each karma review is designed to get staffers 2 inch dicks hard. This new system is implemented only for this reason, to humiliate players and to make them submit to staff several times. that's why it's been set as 10. if they could, they'd make it 100
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val
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Post by val on Apr 19, 2024 13:37:00 GMT -5
Looking back, whenever I was labeled a problem player it was because I said "this is not okay" and refused to fold. You know delirium if you talk like this you're never going to get 10 karma.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Apr 19, 2024 14:03:14 GMT -5
Also if you're very eager for Season One to start, expect it to be absolutely flooded with magickers -- especially Whirans, Drovians, and Elkrosians. fuck yea being vastly outnumbered by op nonsense as a mundane is my favorite thing see you nerds out on the sands (i will be dead, take my boots)
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baron
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Post by baron on Apr 19, 2024 15:06:40 GMT -5
I was sort of mildly considering stealthing into the first few day or so of play via VPN, just to hobble around and see what stupid things they did to my native rinth. But this whole karma thing has reminded me of all the reasons why that's a terrible idea. Including Nektol the Trusted Eternal Templar, and Fuckwit the Psion, and Emo the The High Karma Nilizi.
It's just not a clubhouse I want to be in. Especially since I'd be forced into being Mr. Muggle in a high fantasy Harry Potter game.
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delirium
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Post by delirium on Apr 20, 2024 9:13:40 GMT -5
It's just not a clubhouse I want to be in. Yep. We could come up with all sorts of rationale to justify satiating curiosity (which staff is no doubt banking on) but in the end the juice is never worth the squeeze. val: Har har har
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Apr 21, 2024 6:56:02 GMT -5
There were already so many disadvantages to returning secretly, but I think the biggest new disadvantage by far comes from the new karma system. This also applies to genuinely new players. Going from 0 to 1 karma shouldn't take more than a couple of days, but 1 to 2 is functionally a 3-month minimum. You need to demonstrate a 3-month long history of following the game's rules for your "fair play" karma before you are allowed to gain any additional karma. If you start a new account on June 15, you are effectively agreeing to play the first ~10% of the season as a second-class player.
This is a big part of why I think the karma system is effectively a bribe to long-time players in a bid to retain them. In order for karma to function as a reward, it inherently needs to let the people that have it feel like they are above those that don't. By extension, the karma system treats being a new player like a pledgeship. The frat boys get to break you down by treating you like trash while you play your mundane nobody characters, and then give the appearance of building you back up by throwing the third karma point at you, when in reality you will never be on their level because of their seniority and connections to other staff.
The advantageous move for returning in terms of the karma dynamic would be to openly return with your old account, but by doing so, you admit to staff that you are addicted to the slop they're serving up, and they can hold that over your head to encourage certain types of behavior from you. As usual, at Armageddon, the only winning move is not to play.
This is all stuff that would be considered distasteful in almost any other RP MU*, but it's acceptable on Armageddon because it's run by bullies and liars that would be banned from any other game they tried this stuff in. Maybe one day the addicts to the game will have the self-respect needed to realize that they just need to walk away and find something else to do.
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Post by terminal on Apr 23, 2024 22:35:57 GMT -5
Maybe one day the addicts to the game will have the self-respect needed to realize that they just need to walk away and find something else to do. yeah, like incessantly post about it. there's comments about karma earlier in that post and i'm not convinced that i care at all about karma. i'd been max forever before dumpstering my account and the appeal of armageddon wasn't ever really my character's skill sheet. the allure was in roleplaying with people and using whatever archetype to bolster that. if i secretly caved and made a new account.. big fucking deal.. i'd play a jerkoff mundane and the game would be fundamentally the same experience. i'm more concerned with the community being completely intolerable and the lack of depth of roleplay.
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Apr 24, 2024 4:27:33 GMT -5
You know, you could simply stop reading if you don't like how much I post. Coming to the Official Armageddon MUD Discussion Board and whining about Armageddon MUD being discussed is big baby behavior.
We agree on the community being intolerable, so I just assume you're another rabid ex-Armageddon player that still doesn't know how to socialize with others. It's okay, it gets better the longer you're away from the game.
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Apr 24, 2024 7:26:43 GMT -5
Maybe one day the addicts to the game will have the self-respect needed to realize that they just need to walk away and find something else to do. yeah, like incessantly post about it. there's comments about karma earlier in that post and i'm not convinced that i care at all about karma. i'd been max forever before dumpstering my account and the appeal of armageddon wasn't ever really my character's skill sheet. the allure was in roleplaying with people and using whatever archetype to bolster that. if i secretly caved and made a new account.. big fucking deal.. i'd play a jerkoff mundane and the game would be fundamentally the same experience. i'm more concerned with the community being completely intolerable and the lack of depth of roleplay. You know, you could simply stop reading if you don't like how much I post. Coming to the Official Armageddon MUD Discussion Board and whining about Armageddon MUD being discussed is big baby behavior.
We agree on the community being intolerable, so I just assume you're another rabid ex-Armageddon player that still doesn't know how to socialize with others. It's okay, it gets better the longer you're away from the game.
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Post by terminal on Apr 24, 2024 7:35:28 GMT -5
You know, you could simply stop reading if you don't like how much I post. Coming to the Official Armageddon MUD Discussion Board and whining about Armageddon MUD being discussed is big baby behavior. this is the same sort of jerkoff argument employed by the staff that you bitch about every day. there isn't any substance to it because your suggestion that the people you're insulting find something better to do while you spam post armageddon commentary is asinine. your entire presence here is critical commentary about the mud, its players, and its staff. it's not surprising that you somehow place yourself outside of that grouping and lay it on thick with the same sort of elite love it or leave it attitudes that you talk shit on. consider walking away and finding something better to do with your time.
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Apr 24, 2024 7:53:33 GMT -5
You're still coming to the board to whine about the board. If I struck a nerve with something as mild as "you should walk away from something you're bothered about", because it triggered your memories of staff telling you something similar, that's your problem and not mine.
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najdorf
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Post by najdorf on Apr 24, 2024 8:00:49 GMT -5
You know, you could simply stop reading if you don't like how much I post. Coming to the Official Armageddon MUD Discussion Board and whining about Armageddon MUD being discussed is big baby behavior. this is the same sort of jerkoff argument employed by the staff that you bitch about every day. there isn't any substance to it because your suggestion that the people you're insulting find something better to do while you spam post armageddon commentary is asinine. your entire presence here is critical commentary about the mud, its players, and its staff. it's not surprising that you somehow place yourself outside of that grouping and lay it on thick with the same sort of elite love it or leave it attitudes that you talk shit on. consider walking away and finding something better to do with your time. it's not the same argument, because staff's arguments are followed by actions to discriminate against you, vs here all speech is tolerated, and only responded by counter speech. Those who cannot understand the difference are called liberals.
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Post by terminal on Apr 24, 2024 8:15:26 GMT -5
You're still coming to the board to whine about the board. If I struck a nerve with something as mild as "you should walk away from something you're bothered about", because it triggered your memories of staff telling you something similar, that's your problem and not mine. the thing that strikes a nerve with me is your continual and extreme contribution to the negativity of the community, which is ultimately what ruined the game. not yours alone, but yours and mine and many other's. you stand out because you're far more vocal and seem to be completely oblivious to your role in it.
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Apr 24, 2024 8:31:18 GMT -5
I've been able to show with login data that what ruined the game was ultimately that the staff ignored allegations of bullying and sexual harassment for years until it could no longer be covered up. I've proposed solutions to improve the game, including in this thread, scrapping the karma system and actually holding dialogue with players to improve the relationship and the sense of understanding of expectations between players and staff. I've admitted to having some self-interest in wanting the game to stay open so that the worst of the Armageddon players can remain quarantined from the rest of the MU* community. Any "extreme" negativity you see from me is a result of cherry picking on your part. And if that strikes a nerve with you, that is still not my problem.
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najdorf
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Post by najdorf on Apr 24, 2024 9:18:20 GMT -5
You're still coming to the board to whine about the board. If I struck a nerve with something as mild as "you should walk away from something you're bothered about", because it triggered your memories of staff telling you something similar, that's your problem and not mine. the thing that strikes a nerve with me is your continual and extreme contribution to the negativity of the community, which is ultimately what ruined the game. not yours alone, but yours and mine and many other's. you stand out because you're far more vocal and seem to be completely oblivious to your role in it. I will have to strongly disagree here. What ruined the game is staff and their actions. We are the victims. When you say "yours and mine and many others" and make no mention to staff, you sound either biased or delusional.
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