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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Mar 6, 2023 14:03:47 GMT -5
If I were crazy enough to make an RPI that attracted Armageddon players, I would probably have a queue system. You sign up to show interest in a special role. When a spot opens up, if you're next in line, staff give you a week to fill the role. Kind of like putting a book on hold at the library. I don't mean to detract from the firearms discussion, and I apologize to Prime Minister Sinister, but how do you then prevent someone who is obviously a bad faith player from getting the role? Do you just give it to them if they're next in the queue? Don't get me wrong, I think that this is actually a very unique and good idea, but I beg the question of how you deal with a jerk. you sunnovagun i am going to send you angry private messages later this is an interesting topic though-- i do like mehtastic's take on this though it does kinda beg the question what exactly constitutes a "bad faith player" or a "jerk" in this context? |
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Post by eugene on Mar 6, 2023 14:15:43 GMT -5
In short, and in my opinion, it's someone who has main character syndrome.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Mar 6, 2023 14:22:47 GMT -5
In short, and in my opinion, it's someone who has main character syndrome. in my opinion, i'd say just let 'em have it but in my idealized, pie-in-the-sky RPI, people like that would get proper sorted out by either other players or the world itself or they could actually succeed and become the main character for a bit if the stars align who knows? if they're an absolute nightmare to deal with IG or OOC and go about breaking actual rules, temporarily revoke their rights to queuing up for a special role or somesuch i kinda like the approach of "let everything be accessible to everybody for the most part" from the start, and removing said options for a little while if they prove to not be able to handle it but again, that's for a far-flung RPI that i may or may not be working on, and not Arm-- given how special roles in Arm are the way they are |
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 6, 2023 14:43:12 GMT -5
What makes a bad faith player or a jerk is pretty subjective, unfortunately. Not only do people have different levels of tolerance for different types of behavior/communication styles, you also have the possibility of misinterpreting messages.
There are some obvious objective things that make someone a jerk: being a racist. Being a sexist. Being LGBTQphobic. Being from Rhode Island. But also, a staffer that is one of those things is likely to just overlook those things in the playerbase.
I guess you just have to decide what kind of people you want to play with, what kind of people you can tolerate, and filter out everyone else aggressively. Bearing in mind that if you don't, people that would prefer that you did won't stay. Armageddon being the prime example here.
And of course, if you're doing that then kick jerks off the special role queue when you get rid of them.
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Post by pinkerdlu on Mar 6, 2023 15:07:24 GMT -5
There are some obvious objective things that make someone a jerk: being a racist. Being a sexist. Being LGBTQphobic. Being from Rhode Island. Fuck. To add to the discussion, I think a "jerk" getting a special role wouldn't be an issue in a well-developed RPI. Why? Because a proper RPI should have a self-filtering playerbase like Prime Minister mentioned. You only get issues with assholes in powerful roles in games like Armageddon where the gameworld and factions are built on these massive virtual power monopolies - Templars, Nobles, GMH family members, etc. If you get stuck in a sphere with a terrible Templar, you literally just have to put up with it until they get themselves killed. In a healthy RPI, power structures would be rather fluid and shifting on a semi-regular basis as the gameworld and playerbase adjusts. |
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Post by eugene on Mar 6, 2023 15:26:17 GMT -5
Your points are valid. I still worry about the possibility of one narcissistic player convincing a few others that they're the bees knees, and then bullying the rest of the sphere or clan until people get fed up and stop playing. However, the more I think about this, I think you're right that a properly designed game and/or a sufficiently cohesive playerbase wouldn't allow one group to dominate.
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Post by jstek on Mar 6, 2023 17:16:21 GMT -5
belatedly regarding the firearms discussion: hellmoo has (or had, i guess) the best combat of any text game i've ever played. everything about it was very transparent, it was extremely fluid (melee and ranged), and most importantly... it was fun. there is no greater thrill in life than typing "powerattack" and doing a ton of damage, or typing "headbutt" and knocking a dude out. future games would do well to copy off of hellmoo's homework re: combat, melee AND ranged...
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Post by ocotilloskewers on Mar 7, 2023 19:04:14 GMT -5
I want to get into MUSHes but the scenes are so damn long, and it's honestly daunting to get involved. So I have to struggle with all these struggle-RPIs. Sad days!
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Post by Barsook on Mar 19, 2023 17:55:10 GMT -5
For awhile now I thought about what if there was a private server-based RPI where everyone MUST agree to create and maintain a safe place. I don't think that would be an issue nowadays as the community is slowly dyeing. My main concern that it would take too long to build a world and the code around it to get going. But that's my two cents here.
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Post by ask on Mar 19, 2023 18:45:10 GMT -5
I like a few different ideas.
Shadowrun would be dope AF.
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Post by Barsook on Mar 19, 2023 18:46:32 GMT -5
It would be, yes, but you would need to really be able to support the runs as staff.
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Post by ask on Mar 19, 2023 21:24:25 GMT -5
It would be, yes, but you would need to really be able to support the runs as staff. Maybe I haven't had the most traditional of Shadowrun experiences then, because we do a lot of slice of life shit in my game, and I think the setting of futuristic Washington state with corpos and dragons running the show (omg please do not spoil anything more for me, I legit don't know SHIT), would be a fun world to putz around in. There would probably be an easy way to automate scripts anyway for actual runs! |
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Post by Barsook on Mar 20, 2023 4:41:20 GMT -5
You do have a point there, but still how would you enforce RP if it's a RPI.
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Post by ask on Mar 20, 2023 9:54:17 GMT -5
You do have a point there, but still how would you enforce RP if it's a RPI. by being in character? I guess I don't understand the question. An NPC giving you a run once per day doesn't mean that it isn't still an RPI. If you're an orc in the underground and an orc NPC gives you a run... why not? And you could give "sponsored" quest giver roles to players to give to other players. Heck, the guy who recruited my present Shadowrun PC for runs is actually an older PC from one of the DM's previous games who made it big in whatever org he's associated with. That world is rich as fuck and it's weird that there isn't some sort of RPI that riffs or rips it. |
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Post by Barsook on Mar 20, 2023 15:00:17 GMT -5
I might really thinking in how Arm's RPI work where you ideally have movers and shakers that could make a change in the world. But I think with Shadowrun world, it would be nice to have a community within one area of the game world where there would be Runner crews and randoms interacting.
I think I need to broaden my views on PRI.
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