migrant
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Post by migrant on Feb 27, 2023 22:13:53 GMT -5
TedCruz, it's because of your post that I realized all this stuff was happening. Thanks for your service. And thanks Bebop too for being a brave whistleblower, and Delirium for standing up for justice, and CirclelessBard, and HazelHomewrecker, and Jimpka Moss, and everyone who wouldn't let the unfairness stand anymore without saying something. I do feel a bit weird for repetitively caring about what Armageddon does despite the fact I quit several months ago and played for less than a year. But the stakes aren't just one game when a popular MUD is left to abuse people like that. It's the whole hobby that is harmed by this behavior, not to mention the innocent individuals involved.
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TedCruz
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Post by TedCruz on Feb 27, 2023 22:18:46 GMT -5
I'm glad my efforts to bring attention to Armageddon's problems paid off in its own way. But I have to hand it to everyone else for telling their stories, because that really takes courage. Just passing them along to more people that need to see those stories is just a bit of side work really.
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bebop
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Post by bebop on Feb 27, 2023 22:19:01 GMT -5
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Post by nottriste on Feb 27, 2023 22:25:05 GMT -5
all contributed to the war effort truly, even banned turkish gamer dotto
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pinkerdlu
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Post by pinkerdlu on Feb 27, 2023 22:29:59 GMT -5
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 27, 2023 22:33:07 GMT -5
I do feel a bit weird for repetitively caring about what Armageddon does despite... I don't think it's all that strange to be invested in Armageddon, and to want it to do better (and have better leadership/staff) after having finally separated oneself from it. The way I see it, I love the idea of Armageddon. I fell in love with the premise of the game, the stories that I was able to tell there in my character in good faith with other people who were also there for the experience. It was a great time, it wasn't wasted entertainment. But when we scratch down into the dirt of what's going on behind the scenes, it's like a rupture of trust. How can these things be happening? For me, it was the Cavaticus-Talia-Nyr trio coverup. I had full faith in the authoritative and professional presentation of the staff team, the complaint tool, to reach an ethical and respectful solution. Instead, I was gaslit, blamed, cast aside, eventually bullied into force stasis and chased off the game. I got to see what Armageddon really was. Do I want the game to be better? Yes. I look at it hoping that it gets better. I check to see if there's finally a smidgeon of ethics in the old boys' club. Sometimes I just embrace the thought that Armageddon deserves better than its inheritors and hope that it finally shuts down: so that new players aren't pulled in like I was, to have their trust ruptured against the wall. It's always been Giants in the Playground, and it's difficult to really get someone to care about a staffer abusing their own sandcastle. Now things are different — now it's a worry of women players being sexually preyed upon. It's all the effort we put in to play the game and bring it alive, to give good content to each other- all of it, being stood upon and used to sexually victimize women members of the community both in game and out of game. And that's intolerable. It's not proper for all the people that participated in Armageddon and made the roots grow, for a bad actor like Shalooonsh to come along and rape the plant. I'd be sick to my fucking stomach thinking that I was even in miniscule responsible for someone who was sexually victimized by Looonsh on this game to go "Let me log in just one more time". The only cure for the disease is if everyone gets that same gut reaction.
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ikthe
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Post by ikthe on Feb 27, 2023 23:16:15 GMT -5
It's almost like Apocalypse MUD needs to make a comeback.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Feb 27, 2023 23:20:59 GMT -5
If that pussy bitch would let me play a Druid sure
And would commit to a setting
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Post by lechuck on Feb 27, 2023 23:23:32 GMT -5
Now things are different — now it's a worry of women players being sexually preyed upon. It's all the effort we put in to play the game and bring it alive, to give good content to each other- all of it, being stood upon and used to sexually victimize women members of the community both in game and out of game. And that's intolerable. It's not proper for all the people that participated in Armageddon and made the roots grow, for a bad actor like Shalooonsh to come along and rape the plant. I'd be sick to my fucking stomach thinking that I was even in miniscule responsible for someone who was sexually victimized by Looonsh on this game to go "Let me log in just one more time". In addition to the sexual harrassment stuff - which is bad enough on its own, don't get me wrong - it also makes me wonder what kinds of other shit they're turning a blind eye to. If something this egregious and disgusting can be swept under the rug despite going on for something like fifteen years, imagine how little attention and professionalism has been afforded to all the other kinds of abuses that can be classified as less severe than systemic sexual harrassment. How can there be any trust in staff anymore? How can anybody have faith in the people who run this game? Evidently, the most senior members of the administration will fucking ban you from the game in order to protect their colleagues. Halaster banned Bebop from the game and its forums in order to ensure that Armageddon remains a place where the victims of staff's sexual harrassment are not able to do anything about it. That's psychopathic behavior. And now that the cat's so profoundly out of the bag that no amount of bans can suppress the rebellion, he fucking SHUTS THE FORUMS DOWN?! How can anybody play this game after that and not effectively have publically declared that they're either a spineless coward or just human garbage who's okay with what's going on? It is no longer possible to be a player of ArmageddonMUD and a decent person with integrity and standards. You cannot be that and continue playing this game.
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ikthe
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Post by ikthe on Feb 27, 2023 23:27:09 GMT -5
If that pussy bitch would let me play a Druid sure And would commit to a setting I mean - We will eventually have halflings, so - that's pretty druidic.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Feb 27, 2023 23:28:14 GMT -5
If that pussy bitch would let me play a Druid sure And would commit to a setting I mean - We will eventually have halflings, so - that's pretty druidic. No
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ikthe
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Post by ikthe on Feb 27, 2023 23:29:21 GMT -5
Look, you can't call me a pussy bitch and get _everything_ you want. K?
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 27, 2023 23:52:42 GMT -5
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pinkerdlu
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Post by pinkerdlu on Feb 28, 2023 0:09:52 GMT -5
It's almost like Apocalypse MUD needs to make a comeback. Comeback? I'd rather be "cumbacked" after being captured and virtually dicked down by Shalooonsh's BEC (Big Elf Cock) than spend another minute in Shetno. No offense, but Apocalypse was ass. Other RPIs like Harshlands/Sindome and neighboring MUSHes (Arx, Haven) are also terrible and ran by cheating staff, but I'm sure the flood of Armageddon migrants will figure that out for themselves eventually. Ideally, people figure out there are better hobbies out there, or put energy into their own creative projects. Or someone code me a MUD that I can run with my own divine wisdom, perfect judgement and masterful grasp on game design? *peers about quizzically for volunteers*
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TedCruz
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Post by TedCruz on Feb 28, 2023 6:27:52 GMT -5
If Armageddon started the RPI genre (or at least the craze), then it can be safely said that Armageddon ended it as well. The whole problem with RPIs is aptly demonstrated in the events of the last couple days. A lot of the stuff Shalooonsh [edit by Gynesis: allegedly] did was enabled by the non-consensual nature of RPIs. In most sane roleplaying games, you have to establish consent before roleplaying anything. To put it another way, think of this scenario: you go into a game shop and you see a group of four friends playing D&D together. A typical roleplayer would step up, ask to watch the game for a bit, and then express interest in joining in if there's room for one more. An RPI player simply drags up a chair, writes a character sheet, and starts playing like he's already part of the party.
This might seem exclusionary to the RPI player who simply wants to chop people with bone swords, but it provides a time buffer where you can actually discuss with other players what they want out of the game, no-go lines that they don't feel comfortable crossing, and their overall style of play.
The style of RPI play is inherently rude. By cramming everything into the IC space, players are left to push their own interests forward at the expense of everyone else. The game becomes less a game, and more a competition. In Armageddon's place, the competition is for staff's time, attention, and interest, as well as the competition to survive as long as possible and become prominent enough to become a roleplaying fixture in a given area.
It comes as no surprise to me that, in a non-consensual roleplaying setting, even avenues of roleplay that do require consent have their boundaries pushed. It is very easy for a person like Shalooonsh, with all his [alleged] foibles and past history, to simply forget consent is needed for this or that, when in general, he does not require consent to push his interests. This is not to excuse Shalooonsh for his behavior at all - quite the opposite. In fact, people like Shalooonsh thrive in an RPI setting because the non-consensual roleplaying style is great for people who don't have any moral qualms about barreling over other people and hurting them on an out-of-game level. Not only do you not have to talk to fellow players before roleplaying starts, but you don't have to talk to them afterward when you pull all the strings to ensure that they lose.
In short, all of the RPIs influenced by Armageddon are bad. Yes, even your favorite one.
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