bebop
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Post by bebop on Feb 28, 2023 10:27:06 GMT -5
Why am I not surprised that a man that had all of his female friends in his phone organized by their boob pics would take and distribute a picture against someone's will? There's so much creepy behavioral shit I could list. Like when I told him I had a tattoo design idea where I wanted to get my favorite spaceships on my chest like the Serenity, Swordfish and Millennial Falcon and dude came home from the tattoo shop with a tattoo of the Serenity in the exact place I wanted it. There is this weird history of mirroring people. Ignoring their boundaries. Gravitating around women. Emulating them and stealing their agency.
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Post by lechuck on Feb 28, 2023 10:28:21 GMT -5
The game has languished in utter inactivity for months. No, you know what? Years. Sure, we had the...whatever you might call the short-lived Copper War 2.0. It amounted to nothing. It had no real impact on anyone. It was a lightshow, even though they restrained themselves a little bit when it came to the actual magic. Hell, it was tantamount to the lightshow of 2014 without the actual show. It was just a pile of nothing. A forgettable farce.
If Bebop had not aired her dirty laundry when she did - and please don't think that I think she shouldn't have; she should have done so a decade earlier, and seemingly tried but was ignored at the time - but if this had not come up just now, what else do you think would have kept this game alive? The... Copper War 2.0, if we can even call it that? Nah? Nothing was in it. It was never accessible to any characters who might have done something with it. It was a scripted ordeal from the very start.
What else, then, if not that? Well... er, how about the Bashurit, aka. the Thryzn? Well! If you live in any settlement at all, the most you can expect to hear of them is a board post from when they were first put into the game. Anything since? Nothing! They have, to my knowledge, never done a thing that mattered to anyone.
Their pseudo-leader. Grudash, appears to be a friend of the leader of the Masterless, and they spar all day. I'm not exaggerating there, either. They routinely spend an hour and a half in sparring non-stop. Like they will spend an amount of time engaged in active martial training that amounts to a full in-game Zalanthan day. If one attempts to insinuate to them that this might be a little unrealistic, they will shoo you away. They aim to continue doing that.
And the leader of the Masterless has such bizarrely high skills that anyone who sees fit to join that clan will max out their combat skills inside a month. He's not a decidedly bad player, mind you; although one might wish for more than one or two words per emote, if you could find it in you, Uncle. But his character is so vastly superior to anything that any other player can reach inside a year of play that if you join this clan, you can fully max out your weapon skills. Where else can you do that?
And that's another fundamental flaw of this game. You can spend a literal lifetime serving as a soldier of Allanak, or a gritty veteran of the T'zai Byn, or whatever; but if you don't happen to be clanned with a guy who has ridiculous defense, you will never be anything. And nobody who plays in clans will ever have ridiculous defense, unless they are such exceptions as Three Howling Gortoks who has been around for real-life years and constructed his own clan. And they won't be in city clans.
Three Howling Gortoks is not a decidedly terrible player (though his emoting habits are poor) but he represents all that is wrong with ArmageddonMUD, and the existence of characters such as this is the very reason why nobody would be caught dead playing in a city. Sud got the fuck outta there, too.
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Post by lechuck on Feb 28, 2023 10:32:37 GMT -5
And just for the sake of disclosure, I played Sud.
Don't give a shit what happens to my numerous accounts. Staff can rest assured that I've never played more than one account at a time, but I have gone through innumerable ones, ever since I saw through their thinly-veiled facade of bullshit. And I did so in... 2014? Something like that.
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val
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Post by val on Feb 28, 2023 10:36:45 GMT -5
There's so much creepy behavioral shit I could list. When Ro was in the midst of being murdered and sent Ostren that frantic message, she was in the middle of making out with Lysander, and Looon later said to me that that was perfect. At the time, I thought it was a reflection on the IC situation (it was indeed pretty ironic), but I now think it was further evidence of a really unhealthy obsession with you. Ugh. Just... ugh.
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my2sids
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Post by my2sids on Feb 28, 2023 10:41:32 GMT -5
I'm still processing everything to do with Bebop's Fale turned Borsail. My character had a meeting with Lysander and staff animated NPCs in order to determine that her character was going to be killed.
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Post by lechuck on Feb 28, 2023 10:43:29 GMT -5
And while it is wildly off-topic with regards to the current zeitgeist, ArmageddonMUD also needs to do something about its deeply broken stats system. Sud was a dwarven enfocer/cutpurse and had strength in the second priority. And he rolled AI strength. AI/exceptional/average/very good. Change the hilariously awful stats system of this game so that it is no longer possible for any one character to the mindbogglingly insane or straight garbage.
In fact, just fucking do what I've said in GDB posts for quite a while now.
Regards, Greve
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val
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Post by val on Feb 28, 2023 10:45:29 GMT -5
In hindsight and with more information (including talking with you about it a little bit ago Friday), while I know there was IC stuff at work, a lot of it appears vindictive now that I know what went on with Bebop's later characters and the OOC obsession level here.
Edit to add: It starts to have a lot of resemblance to a hostile work environment, trying to drive someone to quit.
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my2sids
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Post by my2sids on Feb 28, 2023 10:51:39 GMT -5
Absolutely that. You have a culture at the staff level to let the person who is doing the most work to continue no matter their behavior. Which strongly resembles all the abusive people in the game industry. Blaze had all of the cards and used so many people to enact his abuse
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bebop
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Post by bebop on Feb 28, 2023 10:54:43 GMT -5
Absolutely that. You have a culture at the staff level to let the person who is doing the most work to continue no matter their behavior. Which strongly resembles all the abusive people in the game industry. Blaze had all of the cards and used so many people to enact his abuse Ro was also severely abused by staff from the get go. That whole character was an exercise in abuse. I included info about that in my staff complaint as well as a history of how I was undermined and treated throughout the years and it was subsequently completely and entirely ignored. Edited to add: Its also super weird that Shalooonsh was gleefully involved in the grief fest that was my character.
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Post by lechuck on Feb 28, 2023 10:57:14 GMT -5
It can often take time to realize when you were sabotaged from the start. While I wouldn't pretend to be as inconvenienced as you were, I've often noticed, after a year or two, how staff just clearly set out to fuck me over right away and then presented me with a disingenuous front of how they had something else in mind that was never real.
I've never lived in Putin's Russia, but I've increasingly come to think that it might be like this.
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my2sids
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Post by my2sids on Feb 28, 2023 11:03:24 GMT -5
Absolutely that. You have a culture at the staff level to let the person who is doing the most work to continue no matter their behavior. Which strongly resembles all the abusive people in the game industry. Blaze had all of the cards and used so many people to enact his abuse Ro was also severely abused by staff from the get go. That whole character was an exercise in abuse. I included info about that in my staff complaint as well as a history of how I was undermined and treated throughout the years and it was subsequently completely and entirely ignored. Edited to add: Its also super weird that Shalooonsh was gleefully involved in the grief fest that was my character. I believe it. I remember interacting with your character for the first time and there are already so many plots around trying to ruin her. I was a little baffled. But that's how the game goes because there are staff members who will animate NPCs and direct leader PCs to make enemies in this way and reward them. It's clear that stuff like that requires an immense amount of trust from storytellers to run a plot like that, but that is not something that I would ever trust to people like blaze. This reminds me of when I played the atrium instructor. I complained to staff about being sexually harassed by a Templar PC and then that Templar PC proceeds to run an execution plot in response to me forming a staff complaint. Not surprised at all. My character came out on top in that instance because my character politicked really well. But that's basically the only time I've ever been a subject of abuse and I "won". Ellenoire Terash was stored after I dealt with psycho after cycle of really thinly veiled harassment from a lot of parties.
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Post by nottriste on Feb 28, 2023 11:07:08 GMT -5
I've never lived in Putin's Russia, but I've increasingly come to think that it might be like this. Must be why I was banned for making a post about Putin being a fuckface at the start of the Russia-Ukraine conflict last year (BTW I predicted this shit would drag the whole world, I'm good at predicting shit) I literally didn't break a single fucking rule but rather posted an obvious, uncontroversial opinion anyone who likes human rights would agree with. It's been good getting away from this administration of incels. Armageddon is a case study in why incels shouldn't be allowed to manage more than their malfunctioning dicks.
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val
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Post by val on Feb 28, 2023 11:07:52 GMT -5
edit: CW: the language used may be perceived as complimentary toward abusers
It reminds me very much of the Cas Anwar situation with The Expanse novels/TV show. He was a very charismatic person who used his influence with production and the fanbase to pressure young women and drive them out of the fandom if they came forward. He painted himself very much as the victim of false accusations, with many people he had interacted with leaping to his defense, until someone finally started a thread about it on I think Twitter and a bunch more people came out with additional instances of the same, and just general creepy behavior.
Positive relationships with other people are often used as cover for situations like this. When you drew my attention to this whole thing, I pointed Zoltan to it, he asked me if Looon was ever like that with me. My honest answer was 'no.' Even after we stopped being in touch, I told him to stop flirting with me, and he simply did without protest or further pressure. However, abusers often have people that they treat well who can honestly say 'that doesn't seem consistent, he did not treat me that way.' I'm sorry that I was able to be used that way as a shield for as long as I was.
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Post by nottriste on Feb 28, 2023 11:12:40 GMT -5
The word charismatic should be dropped when referring to Shalooonsh full stop. Maybe it's because I've been a lesbian most of my life but that man has absolutely no charisma. He has a button that gives you karma or approves/denies your request. He has desperately clung on to the leadership role granting him command of those buttons so he can try to get in het/bi female bodied people's pants.
He's not charismatic. He's a fucking abusive blob like Harvey Weinstein.
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val
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Post by val on Feb 28, 2023 11:17:21 GMT -5
Ellenoire Terash was stored after I dealt with psycho after cycle of really thinly veiled harassment from a lot of parties. That's the exact situation I posted about in one of the locked threads, where I said I felt on the edge of a situation and felt like someone was being pressured but didn't have enough information at the time to make a complaint. (Not that it would have gone anywhere.) I stand by my use of the word charismatic. He is very charismatic with the people who he wants to be. Not every person who's an abuser wears a t-shirt that says 'I'm actually a piece of shit.' Painting all abusers as supremely obvious is why so many people can get away with it for so long. They aren't all obvious, and some are indeed very charismatic. Like delirium said, he just happened to sink all his points into deception rather than diplomacy.
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