#NoConsent to lock my thread

Removing Tuluk was idiotic. It just streamlined people into leaving the game.

I concur with punished ppurg on this one. Gladiators and muls have only slightly more impact toward fully restoring PC slavery as allowing people to play short characters has to do with restoring halflings as a PC species. The staff should just bring back PC slave roles.

The staff's bullshit excuse for removing them was "blah blah too much work maintaining realistic blah blah". There wouldn't be work for the staff if they got the fuck out of players' way and just let clan PCs pursue escaped slaves on their own initiative, without requiring them to first submit a blood sacrifice to the Central Bureaucracy in triplicate, await the 12 staffers that might be impacted to coordinate flavor text, and then turn in a completed 27B/6 stamped by Information Dispersal, Information Retrieval, and Information Denial in the correct order with the same cover sheet we're now putting on the TPS reports.

Meh. All people have left are being shitty to each other, mudsex, and parties, so if you bring these things back it's only going to make the game worse. They should bring back letting players drive activity. At least then if you rolled consent-required behavior back in they wouldn't be as front and center as they would be now.

I think this is extremely reasonable, as long as you ban OOCly asking for an exception to the consent flags if someone bothers to set them.

Each part of that series of staff decisions was the stupidest staff decision ever to go into the game, despite that being linguistically nonsensical, and I haven't forgotten they decided "teleporting a volcano" was good writing. Full sorcs should just come back. Ditto for full elementalists. These subguilds should stay in place as lower karma options, possibly as a way of screening people before they get their hands on full power. I do agree the full versions should be subguilds due to guild sniffing, though.

Sorcs being too powerful was nonsense. The whole point in having a trust scoring system that allows people access to more easily abused classes is you trust them to try those classes if their trust score is high enough. Sorcs were treated as a huge threat ICly because you could haplessly wander into a boss fight at any time, run by an independent player with unknown motives. Then again, maybe you could talk your way out of getting vaporized on the spot. It added random danger to the game that went beyond some mindless mob spawning nearby and murdering you because it's flagged as aggro.

Agreed. All I can add is the staff need to abandon the idiotic pretense (later repeated by Brokkr) that they add and remove things from the game to maintain balance. When you wipe out large swaths of things and then put in generic replacements for "streamlining", you're not adding and removing things from the game. You're just reducing the game. Some of the reduction having new (but much smaller or simpler) parts doesn't count as "adding" because it's grossly inferior in scope.



At some point it might go back to being a game where desert sex was only 5% of "plots".



I'm entirely in favor of this. Not because I think banning mudsex improves a game that clearly has an emphasis on adult themes, but because most of the players and staff would quit, and what was left would have to invest in bringing back other things to keep people active. I've heard good things about "conflict" and "player driven events". These groundbreaking new things (that used to exist in the game) might have to come back to fill the gaping hole that once used to be stuffed with mudsex.

That, or the game would end, and we'd all finally be let out of Purgatory.



Yeah, and I'm sure the staff were totally justified in shutting it down due to the derail, since thread splitting isn't a technology that has existed for at least 2 decades.



Three people have tried explaining the problem so far, but I think they got away from addressing the core of your argument. It boils down to this:

The super loose rules have essentially allowed a small number of people to fellate the staff into giving them coded authority and protection they didn't earn, which they then turn into a lifehack to reduce the players around them into sex game NPCs. They didn't create these positions ICly or work their way into existing ones, so they have no OOC sense they are risking losing all their effort already-wasted-time-playing-Arm to potentially make an enemy of a clan member just to get off. They're just rolling the dice that you (the player) know you can't respond realistically IC because you'll get "world responsed" by a bunch of NPCs. Even if you do succeed in getting revenge, you'll probably get punched right in the karma after you're force stored because staff hate replacing leader roles. They might even get rezzed.

All of that might be even semi-acceptable if it wasn't for the fact people playing solely to get off RL don't stick around afterward to make their clans active. They just sit in their leader role some more motivated player could have, dragging activity to a halt simply by not being available to approve it in the Grand Bureaucracy that is Armageddon MUD. Hell, we had people talking about the problems with consensual mudsexers dragging clan activity to a halt years ago. This isn't new, it's just worse.

Did you join Borsail to pursue a career as a slave hunter? Too bad! The guy who spec-apped the nob running it has decided you can either revamp your entire character to realistically portray a serial rape victim or suffer the immpet version of a force store thanks to the garbage crimcode.

Yeah, banning them from RPing as a rapist still leaves them with a lot of shitty things they can do ICly with coded backup, but none of them come with the OOC reward of rubbing/flicking one out. Well... at least not for most people.



Being killed in-game doesn't require RPing a dramatic shift in your character's persona to stay in character or to participate in depicting the act in happening. Getting murdered is just a matter of running out of HP in automated combat.

good let them fall on their sword with an appropriate world response from staff if it happens to make an enemy of a clan member they thematicly shouldnt fuck with and who has the virtual power to merit a response

of course if that player is above sending in reports to let staff know whats happening then thats on themjust like u would irl if u attacked the gang leader who paid everyone else while in the hq

ur also given an out from this via the consent rules in sexual coercion and not even a lethal one like with torture so this doesnt at all tracklol yeah dont we know thatif ur talking abt dragging clan activity it is a nonargument to focus on nonconsent mudsex since as with many other things it has never been anywhere close to any of the prime culprits in dragging clan activity

consensual mudsex idling and unannounced reduced play times have always by a staggering margin far outweighed anything else including nonconsensual sex in taking away from clan activity

as i already told pinkerdlu if a sponsored role is consistently unavailable or not filling their role responsibilities it doesnt matter why theyre fucking that up u send in a player complaint so staff can fix or finish themor if were talking when rape was still allowed ig u refuse consent then hash out what happened ooc and if the sponsored role tries to powerplay something like oh my hg guards pinned u down u can ooc back well they didnt get here in time or ooc that u left the room the moment they tried something on u then leave the compound immediately before the leader tries to dump u from the clan and have u killed

then wish up or report their ass for hamfisted powergaming

all ignoring the fact that ur slave hunter char got some direct karma by getting stuck w a sponsored char who wanted to sexualy enslave them 

My man, all that and you still haven't said one reason adding it would be a good idea.

The problem's not "someone abused their power and my character got hurt". Like I said further down in my post, the problem is you've got players who aren't playing a sponsored role to actually lead anything, they're just applying to fuck other people's characters and turn the clan into Haven.

You know the staff wouldn't care. Especially if the leader was played by a staff member. They only got rid of it because of the sheer number of requests they got tired of marking resolved without reading them.

That's not the same, unless the gang leader in question didn't make any of that money, earn that position, and was handed it all by the staff. Doesn't matter if there's a non-lethal out. Again, the problem's not "so-and-so abused power" it's "so-and-so screwed up a role they got in exchange for staff favors and played a character badly and without fear of losing them because staff."

Seriously. Dumbest thing anyone could do in this scenario is let the staff know in advance they're going to kill the leader character and why. That's absolutely going to end in an intervention and "world response".


No, I was talking about how there have been complaints of even consentual mudsexers grinding clan activity to a halt dating back years, and I just see these people as even more dedicated to existing solely to cyber. Here's an example from memory: someone was playing a Byn sarge who logged in solely to mudsex and just logged out if the dude she was banging wasn't in the mood. Problem is this is the person responsible for accepting contracts and leading people outside. So, if said leader's player isn't bothering to lead, so much for anything resembling real activity. I don't so much see leaders as keeping clans active as I treat them as catalysts so activity can happen in the first place.

No argument here. That's completely right. I'd only remind you that nobody needs to spec app a leader and run clan activity/membership into the ground to put them in a position to get consensual mudsex. Meanwhile, it's a shortcut for rapist characters because it eliminates the need to grind up combat skills. Like I said, it's a lifehack.

I think we've all been talking more about how there are currently players who just imply your character's going to get killed if they refuse, which is still rape by coercion, but the staff allow it. My issue is far more with someone taking up a slot somebody whose goal was to succeed with the clan could have, solely so they can play Arm like a forced dating sim without even having to grind skills or spend time in-game succeeding at anything first.