jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Jul 22, 2020 23:41:04 GMT -5
One of jkarr's many inane opinions Reading it is like listening to nails on a chalk board ur my fave trainwreck too bb but that doesnt stop me from looking every time Sorry jkarr, we've had some good times together, but that's unfortunately a shit and le cringe post that you just made. cmon fool dont apologize to me for disagreeing thats what discussion is for ur not suddenly uncool just because u think for urself lol ur just uncool for getting wrecked by twink arrows  I don't necessarily think removing adult content/mudsex would be the best solution, but I do believe that the toxic and possibly reprehensible behavior that we see largely stems from boredom, lack of content to pursue and poor game design that has resulted in this poorly balanced power structure where most sponsored roles are nigh untouchable simply because of the virtual authority and staff backing that they inherited by taking the role. poor game design is the only thing on that list responsible for sponsored roles being nigh untouchable ur just seeing an aging pbase that knows how to live longer being less willing to risk throwing all their mommy/daddy freetime hours away and using more of that same design to their adv If characters were on the same playing field/facing the same issues and had to rely on each other like in an actual collaborative storytelling experience or tabletop game, you'd see less unreasonable behavior. tldr u think the coded protection some sponsored roles have is too much because right now there isnt shit going on like a shared mortal threat that requires their chars to utilize less powerful chars for more than just forcefuck buddies amirite But people know they won't get slapped on the wrist (or at least to a level that deters them) by staff or the playerbase, so they carry out these questionable acts. even i think that u can make an argument that there sometimes can be not a huge amt of in-play difference in conseqs between the rape that ppl flip out abt and coercive sex but the fact that they explicitly permit the 2nd in the rules tells me that their concern was less abt agreeing with ooc moral conventions and more abt cutting down a little on the extra player complaint work they had to deal with without removing realistic coercive power routes that some sponsored roles can and should use after all u can be killed even by nonsponsored roles for not agreeing to do super trivial things by anyone like handing over money or not showing their version of respect and this has always been part of the game and perfectly acceptable rp The example that gringoose brought up with the Templar is quite common, not just among Templars, but with any role that has a level of virtual power that most other characters can simply never obtain through IG means. Minor Merchant House members (Instructors), Merchants, Dealers, Templars, and perhaps more commonly, animated NPCs and staff avatars. That example doesn't even cover the levels of jealousy and spite that also come into play. Could these be IC reactions to IC acts? if u have evidence of ooc behavior thats against the rules u can report it otherwise its ur responsibility as a player to treat ic situations icly and if u have personal problems with fucked up harsh shit happening in the fucked up harsh game u agreed to play then u should either adjust to the setup or avoid games that let ppl play out those themes Sure, but they're unsavory, questionable (often skirting around the rules), yup like i said before ud have an argument here if moral agreement was their main reason for removing rape I don't think anyone enjoys playing these situations out or suffering the consequences of what they entail, and we see this play out way too often. and just like with torture u have the option of opting out of part or all of that thru ftb or player death my guess is u have players who never really accepted the fact that the shit that ppl can kill their chars for due to their not wanting to play their chars thru it doesnt discriminate based on individual player prefs Yes, it actually makes sense for people in positions of power to leverage their position and authority in order to attract the opposite sex. or same sex or other race or other species #daterdlutho However, most players in sponsored roles tend to do this in a downright odd and creepy manner, often focusing solely on it ur not required to enjoy the char portrayals u encounter whilst lacking any competence when it comes to catering to the rest of the game world, yeah sucks when that happens but sometimes thats how some of them learn being active and available, and failing to demonstrate real leadership skills and ability. these are solid probs that u should bitch abt to staff so they shape up or ship out giving sponsored roles that rarely play or dont perform their jobs the boot is one of the few areas ive nvr worried abt staff failing to handle Armageddon is not a meritocracy. When you put shitty players in powerful roles and don't give them any reason to be competent and skillful, no wonder they drag their minions off and focus on some virtual fucking. if its preventing them from doing what they are leading in the role u should be letting staff know thru player complaint otoh if the way is permitting them to do the job all from their bedsheets lol hatas gonna hate but i think that adds a great argument to limiting psionic comms Even worse, often times a large chunk of the playerbase will recognize that said sponsored role character is trash (be it Dealer, Templar or Instructor) but the virtual monopolies and power structures backing up such roles make it so that players have NO OPTION but to interact with them. if the trash part only has to do with u not liking the obsessive coercive sex addict char theyre playing then thats on u This is often the only thing propping up shitty chars in such roles... others have no choice but to go through them and interact with them if they want to play in said sphere where the role is present. Such roles have been scaring off players since the dawn of time. sounds realistic and just like what ud expect in a harsh pre bronze age tech low fantasy world where ppl have that lvl of power and exploit it shamelessly Ways to possibly fix this? 1. Balance the power structure and remove as many glass ceilings as possible. (Won't happen in Armageddon.) agree glass ceilings should be lifted but for none of the reasons ur talking abt 2. Put people on the same playing field or give them IG/IC reasons to be as reasonable and well-liked as possible. (Won't happen in Armageddon.) yup wont happen and should def stay that way what is this tuluk lol 3. Automatically reveal who played who, 6 months after a character's death. This would work to increase player accountability, as each player would be aware of other players and what type of characters they are consistently playing. This would work to open up transparency between both the staff and players. (Won't happen in Armageddon.) as it isnt designed to and shouldnt 4. Have staff members carefully watch sponsored roles for behavior that is considered highly questionable or harmful to the playerbase. Of course, this would entirely depend on how observant the staff members are, and their own personal interpretation of what's acceptable and what's actually happening between the characters and if they feel like it's something where action needs to be taken. As far as we know, this is what already happens. This allows plenty of room for poor decision making and favoritism, and fails to address reoccurring issues and themes that we see IG. (Do better??) yup theres either never enough eyes or too many depending on what ur trying to do lol but i agree here as far as keeping tabs on the gw There's also the idea that Armageddon has long lost most good/competent players who were interested in storytelling, good conflict and a fun game. And that a good chunk of the remaining players are just there to get their rocks off and enjoy some good ol' desert sex simulator gameplay with a side of bone swords. lol well for one those two groups def arent at all mutually exclusive and theres a lot of overlap two they are perfectly free to fall on either side of that player spectrum if they are following the rules and playing realistic to the gw three like jimping said if u want the game to survive ur gonna have to suck it up and deal with the second group sticking around lol yeah u need the players who dont need u enough to not coerce u into fucking them how do u like them apples lol I agree with this take for the most part. I think players tend to get the staff team that they deserve, and well, things have been going downhill for a long time on both sides of the coin. lol maybe now but nothing players did justified nyr or nergal before his come to jcarter moment |
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ccp
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Post by ccp on Jul 23, 2020 3:28:49 GMT -5
When the stand you choose to take is to try and hashtag against one of the basic rules of the game, you are not going to be given a long winded platform to argue it. Staff reserve the right to kick out convos that are juwt subversive attempts to change or erode a rule they hold as sacred. They produce the game you play. They can kick you out if your goal is to erode the concept of consent. Sorry bitches. Maybe pick ANY other platform to argue and they wouldn't be locking the thread.
FFS just talk out your fantasies about what rules you wish you could break or change here. It is what this forum has always been for, because by spoiling as many secrets as possible you have tried to make this forum about breaking the rules of someone's game the entire time.
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Post by ccp on Jul 23, 2020 3:31:40 GMT -5
When the stand you choose to take is to try and hashtag against one of the basic rules of the game, you are not going to be given a long winded platform to argue it. Staff reserve the right to kick out convos that are just subversive attempts to change or erode a rule they hold as sacred. They produce the game you play. They can kick you out if your goal is to erode the concept of consent. Sorry bitches. Maybe pick ANY other platform to argue and they wouldn't be locking the thread. FFS just talk out your fantasies about what rules you wish you could break or change here. It is what this forum has always been for, because by spoiling as many secrets as possible you have tried to make this forum about breaking the rules of someone's game the entire time. |
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vex
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Post by vex on Jul 23, 2020 5:02:19 GMT -5
People who are asking for rape back in the game forget there are losers in rolecall roles right now who have been force stored (or chose to store after getting warned, not sure exactly) within the past 6 months for locking people in their office and not letting them leave if they don't perform borderline sexual acts. Just curious, and maybe I've missed it, but is there a story behind this? I'd like to hear it, if so.
1: Not all ideas deserve equal air time, especially when they're as stupid as Heade's. 2: Armageddon is privately run and can do whatever it wants to control discourse on their site. Even if they are snowflake morons about it. Leave the threads unlocked. Let them argue, rant, be crazy. Give them as much, or as little, attention, as you feel they warrant. Let others do the same.
Sooner or later, it will burn itself out. It's better than the alternative. Well yeah, it matters in having a good community. Not in whatever sociopolitical impact Vex is having a schizophrenic break about. So, does it matter, or doesn't it? Like, you seemed pretty dead set on doesn't... but when our boy, there, said hey, it does, you backed right the fuck up on it.
I mean, if you just want a go at me, that's cool, but you're looking pretty fucking beta, with the way your flip flopping, there. self quoted some already useless shit for probably stupid reasons Hey fan, you failed. GJ.
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Post by terminal on Jul 23, 2020 6:41:42 GMT -5
People who are asking for rape back in the game forget there are losers in rolecall roles right now who have been force stored (or chose to store after getting warned, not sure exactly) within the past 6 months for locking people in their office and not letting them leave if they don't perform borderline sexual acts. Just curious, and maybe I've missed it, but is there a story behind this? I'd like to hear it, if so.
the rules explicitly omit 'coercion' and 'abuse of power' as flavors of rape. it's bound to happen, and probably already has happened several times, where a leader PC tries to nudge someone into fucking. they're supposed to drop it and change course if the other player doesn't consent. warnings or storage probably arise from the leaders being fucking creeps about it, but who tf knows. |
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Jul 23, 2020 7:11:16 GMT -5
the rules explicitly omit 'coercion' and 'abuse of power' as flavors of rape. it's bound to happen, and probably already has happened several times, where a leader PC tries to nudge someone into fucking. they're supposed to drop it and change course if the other player doesn't consent. warnings or storage probably arise from the leaders being fucking creeps about it, but who tf knows. hes not asking clarity on the rules or coulda maybe generalizations hes asking for the drama jimping is talking abt |
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Post by terminal on Jul 23, 2020 7:41:36 GMT -5
the rules explicitly omit 'coercion' and 'abuse of power' as flavors of rape. it's bound to happen, and probably already has happened several times, where a leader PC tries to nudge someone into fucking. they're supposed to drop it and change course if the other player doesn't consent. warnings or storage probably arise from the leaders being fucking creeps about it, but who tf knows. hes not asking clarity on the rules or coulda maybe generalizations hes asking for the drama jimping is talking abt my templar was force stored because i didn't ask for consent during a solo masturbation scene. there was a celf miscreant hiding in the locked room. i (my char) didn't even get to finish before hit with storage. staff complaint was resolved in 0.00 days. |
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Post by gristle on Jul 23, 2020 21:41:31 GMT -5
People who are asking for rape back in the game forget there are losers in rolecall roles right now who have been force stored (or chose to store after getting warned, not sure exactly) within the past 6 months for locking people in their office and not letting them leave if they don't perform borderline sexual acts. Just curious, and maybe I've missed it, but is there a story behind this? I'd like to hear it, if so.
1: Not all ideas deserve equal air time, especially when they're as stupid as Heade's. 2: Armageddon is privately run and can do whatever it wants to control discourse on their site. Even if they are snowflake morons about it. Leave the threads unlocked. Let them argue, rant, be crazy. Give them as much, or as little, attention, as you feel they warrant. Let others do the same.
Sooner or later, it will burn itself out. It's better than the alternative. Well yeah, it matters in having a good community. Not in whatever sociopolitical impact Vex is having a schizophrenic break about. So, does it matter, or doesn't it? Like, you seemed pretty dead set on doesn't... but when our boy, there, said hey, it does, you backed right the fuck up on it.
I mean, if you just want a go at me, that's cool, but you're looking pretty fucking beta, with the way your flip flopping, there. self quoted some already useless shit for probably stupid reasons Hey fan, you failed. GJ.
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vex
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Post by vex on Jul 23, 2020 23:02:43 GMT -5
Stick with a point for a bit, and I'll give it a read, cuck.
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Post by desertsexsimulator on Jul 24, 2020 7:41:50 GMT -5
When the stand you choose to take is to try and hashtag against one of the basic rules of the game, you are not going to be given a long winded platform to argue it. Staff reserve the right to kick out convos that are juwt subversive attempts to change or erode a rule they hold as sacred. They produce the game you play. They can kick you out if your goal is to erode the concept of consent. Sorry bitches. Maybe pick ANY other platform to argue and they wouldn't be locking the thread. FFS just talk out your fantasies about what rules you wish you could break or change here. It is what this forum has always been for, because by spoiling as many secrets as possible you have tried to make this forum about breaking the rules of someone's game the entire time. Yup. As much as Heade is right when he talks about how far the game has gone in terms of removing content, rape is not a part of that content. He compromised his own argument by conflating actual content removal with the removal of the ability to RP nonconsensual sex, which makes no fucking sense. If he had left out that stupidity, his thread would have been fine. But no, he had to promote his own interests a little bit. |
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Post by desertsexsimulator on Jul 24, 2020 7:49:11 GMT -5
hes not asking clarity on the rules or coulda maybe generalizations hes asking for the drama jimping is talking abt my templar was force stored because i didn't ask for consent during a solo masturbation scene. there was a celf miscreant hiding in the locked room. i (my char) didn't even get to finish before hit with storage. staff complaint was resolved in 0.00 days. This just sounds like the staff were already looking for a reason to store you, and you happened to give them one by accident. I wouldn't be surprised if the celf was a staff avatar, or simply didn't exist. |
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Post by jimping on Jul 24, 2020 8:54:24 GMT -5
I think he was kidding man.
Unless he isn't and people actually do solo masturbation scenes, to which I ask what the fuck.
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Post by gristle on Jul 24, 2020 11:03:07 GMT -5
Stick with a point for a bit, and I'll give it a read, cuck. Cool, have another multi-paragraph meltdown for me. |
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Post by picklehead on Jul 24, 2020 11:38:48 GMT -5
I'm so glad this conversation got brought over from the GDB..
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Post by terminal on Jul 24, 2020 11:46:14 GMT -5
my templar was force stored because i didn't ask for consent during a solo masturbation scene. there was a celf miscreant hiding in the locked room. i (my char) didn't even get to finish before hit with storage. staff complaint was resolved in 0.00 days. This just sounds like the staff were already looking for a reason to store you, and you happened to give them one by accident. I wouldn't be surprised if the celf was a staff avatar, or simply didn't exist. yeah later on i got whitelisted on ginka.armageddon.onion and was able to confirm staff malfeasance from nyr's encrypted logs. |
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