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Post by vulcan on Jul 29, 2020 15:34:00 GMT -5
Is consent required before you RP dismembering/maiming/torturing someone? Why is consent not required for murdering someone? Being killed is more traumatic than being fucked. Ditto for maiming/dismembering/torturing someone.
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Jul 29, 2020 16:14:46 GMT -5
Is consent required before you RP dismembering/maiming/torturing someone? iirc yeah if ur going into detail Why is consent not required for murdering someone? because apparently they want to protect players from graphic descriptions in a text only harsh low fantasy rpg  Being killed is more traumatic than being fucked. sure so if ur talking rape thats prob because staff decided to pander to ppl who couldnt separate ic from ooc by responding to their complaints and then when they bitched too much staff took it out of the game instead of just telling them to fuck off and go find someplace that doesnt expect them to rp char consequences they dont like or cant control Ditto for maiming/dismembering/torturing someone. i thought u could do all that just had to ask consent for the graphic rp and the player could ask to be killed instead which begs the question again lol |
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Post by jimp on Jul 30, 2020 10:57:13 GMT -5
"sure so if ur talking rape thats prob because staff decided to pander to ppl who couldnt separate ic from ooc by responding to their complaints and then when they bitched too much staff took it out of the game instead of just telling them to fuck off and go find someplace that doesnt expect them to rp char consequences they dont like or cant control"
RPing consequences you don't like or can't control is literally the basis of any conflict RP, which the game offers in a thousand other fashions. What the fuck are you talking about? Are you such a drooling retard that you can't figure out that there might be something else going on there outside of 'consequences'? Maybe something to do with the rape fetishists faggots who are crying they can't get off anymore? Which I'm starting to think you are after your sus ass posts in this thread, talk about separating IC from OOC lol. You've shown your hand too much already in your typical barely-clinging to the concepts of the English language dementia ridden hillbilly fashion, stop embarrassing yourself.
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Post by bobo on Jul 30, 2020 13:46:33 GMT -5
Listen I wrote this whole big thing that takes apart on every level that the Armarapists are full of shit, and I can post it if you really want, but what it all boils down, anyone with some basic social awareness and common sense can see that the the whole "We are big serious mature roleplayers which is why we want all the big serious mature rapey rape in our serious adult roleplaying games" thing is a whisper-thin camouflage for some very obvious personal fetishes that get escalated to their full fruition in accommodating circumstances like, say, the Vietnam War, and anyone with some basic human empathy will understand that this is not some neutral trivia about a fellow roleplayer, but an actual Bad Thing for real humans.
Everyone here has played Arm, right? None of those players or staff are turning out adult-level narrative. It is Young Adult-level dystopian fiction, 10th-grade level to be generous, and that's just fine. It's on par with the Hunger Games. People love the Hunger Games, and it's fine without a graphic sexual torture scene on every single page. None of us is writing the next Handmaid's Tale here, let's get a grip.
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Jul 30, 2020 14:04:41 GMT -5
What's wrong with two consenting adults making the decision to bang their text avatars together in dubious and non-consensual ways? Is it because it's the same root of evil that makes American GIs rape Vietnamese? Is that what I'm gathering here. Purity spiral.
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Post by jimp on Jul 30, 2020 14:23:37 GMT -5
What's wrong with two consenting adults making the decision to bang their text avatars together in dubious and non-consensual ways? Is it because it's the same root of evil that makes American GIs rape Vietnamese? Is that what I'm gathering here. Purity spiral. "fuck off and go find someplace that doesnt expect them to rp char consequences they dont like or cant control" This isn't referencing OOC consent. |
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Post by jkarr on Jul 30, 2020 19:16:32 GMT -5
RPing consequences you don't like or can't control is literally the basis of any conflict RP whew ur not quite as dumb as i thought which the game offers in a thousand crueler and more permanent other fashions ftfy What the fuck are you talking about? something that has summoned ur inner snowflake Are you such a drooling retard that you can't figure out that there might be something else going on there outside of 'consequences'? why do u think we give a shit Maybe something to do with the rape fetishists faggots who are crying they can't get off anymore? r u worried abt ppl fetishizing rape or abt rape being played out in the game Which I'm starting to think you are after your sus ass posts in this thread no ur just trying and failing to shut down solid criticism abt its removal by avoiding the argument and anchoring taboo rl fetishes to anyone willing to point out or question the hypocrisy talk about separating IC from OOC lol. ur response here is the benchmark for that You've shown your hand too much already in your typical barely-clinging to the concepts of the English language dementia ridden hillbilly fashion, stop embarrassing yourself. fuck a tregil u blubbering bitch |
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Post by bobo on Jul 30, 2020 20:13:39 GMT -5
What's wrong with two consenting adults making the decision to bang their text avatars together in dubious and non-consensual ways? What I am hearing is that you want ArmageddonMUD, specifically, to be a Sacred Safe Space for the world's most depraved pervos. If that's your cause, go for it, but I think it's misguided. Let's get this straight: I have no problem with you or anyone else getting together privately for a little torture-rape porn fantasy chat. Hell, drive out to the woods and have a real-life consensual snuff party if you want, you kinky little sex-positive devil, you. ArmageddonMUD just doesn't happen to be the place for it. Factually, it isn't, based on the rules of the game as they stand. This is precisely because past generations of loathsome disgusting creeps demonstrated that it's not something that anyone beside said creeps wants in any but the most abstract and philosophical way. We all understand logically and abstractly that a serious, mature adult text roleplaying game could exist with serious and mature themes of sexual violence. We know from many years of experience that Armageddon never has been and never will be that game. By playing ArmageddonMUD, players are collectively consenting to an environment exactly the opposite of one you describe, where those particular storylines are not pursued. Someone who thinks that murder and assassination plots are dramatically or narratively comparable to extreme sexual violence is, quite simply, an idiot, and their opinion on game rules and thematic elements should be discarded out of hand. Reductio ad absurdum is supposed to clue you in that your premises or reasoning are flawed. You aren't supposed to take the absurd conclusion as true. "But as a Free Speech Warrior, I am free to argue against the rules of the game!" Certainly, again, this is an abstract principle you have access to. However, here in reality, we choose which changes we argue for based on our personal interest and belief in what is important and what is flawed in the world and needs to be changed. The Armarapists are coming into a game where many years of past experience have already shown us that gross nerds given official power to kidnap, torture, and rape random noobs create a shitty roleplaying game (fingers crossed one day staff finally nuts up and gets rid of their own creeps). They are coming in and saying "Hey, these comparatively few years where we've tried to maybe cut back on the most grotesque torture-rape is kinda cramping my vibe. Let's just go back to full throttle torture-rape-porn even though others in the game specifically don't want to consent to play in that kind of environment. Or, like, how about a really complicated system of flags to aid us in picking out people for torture-rape-porn. Certainly that sets a great tone for the game." You have an abstract "free speech" right to hold that opinion, but that's the only positive thing that can be said about it. It's an opinion held by a loathsome creep. It shows that said creep personally values and prioritizes expanding the prevalence of torture-rape-porn even and especially in places where torture-rape-porn has already recently been given a good-faith try for a couple decades and found to be unwelcome. The community that you raise this argument to is absolutely within their right to outright reject a proposal of more torture-rape-porn without any consideration whatsoever of the flimsy sophistry that passes for argument in favor this position, and furthermore, to correctly conclude that the people that keep taking up this crusade are, themselves, personally rather repugnant and not someone they are interested in roleplaying with. It is especially telling that the Arma-rapists mix in their "more rape" demands with a call to bring back full mages. Can you possibly be any more transparent? Mages are a commonplace power fantasy in RPGs. "Why did you take away all the best power fantasies of our wildest dreams, like magical powers, and being a brutal torture-rapist?!" Ultimately, if you accommodate the creeps, the creeps drive off everyone else, who don't want to play with them. Then one is forced to accommodate the creeps further, as there is no one else left. It really is better to let the sleazy jackoff wannabe rapists to find a porn server, player count be damned. I am sure I'm not the only player that thought many times of introducing the game to a smart, creative person, only to hesitate at realizing I'd have to explain that they might get dragged away to a rape-torture chamber at some point, and trying to have to put forward the obviously false spin that it's about "serious mature roleplay in a harsh world" and not "weird gross nerds getting their rocks off with participants of dubious willingness." |
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Post by jkarr on Jul 30, 2020 21:40:15 GMT -5
What's wrong with two consenting adults making the decision to bang their text avatars together in dubious and non-consensual ways? What I am hearing is that you want ArmageddonMUD, specifically, to be a Sacred Safe Space for the world's most depraved pervos. it already is one for some of the worlds most depraved and unapologetic snuff and torture exhibitionists u dont have an argument staff dont and never have collectively given a fraction of the shit u and others do abt what their pbase gets off to if no rules are broken staff removed rape because they got too much complaint request work from enough players over other players who couldnt stop their ooc reactions to it from bleeding over ig and creating ridiculous and unrealistic eventlevel responses to mere accusations much less actual rape rape wasnt and has never been out of theme in the game the only thing ever deemed out of place from it was the retarded ig responses that pushed staff to remove it |
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Post by terminal on Jul 31, 2020 7:13:22 GMT -5
What I am hearing is that you want ArmageddonMUD, specifically, to be a Sacred Safe Space for the world's most depraved pervos. it already is one for some of the worlds most depraved and unapologetic snuff and torture exhibitionists u dont have an argument staff dont and never have collectively given a fraction of the shit u and others do abt what their pbase gets off to if no rules are broken staff removed rape because they got too much complaint request work from enough players over other players who couldnt stop their ooc reactions to it from bleeding over ig and creating ridiculous and unrealistic eventlevel responses to mere accusations much less actual rape rape wasnt and has never been out of theme in the game the only thing ever deemed out of place from it was the retarded ig responses that pushed staff to remove it the level of autism that you're displaying is why rape can't be portrayed in game. window lickers. socially incapable players. go pick another hill to die on. |
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Post by punished ppurg on Jul 31, 2020 7:31:06 GMT -5
All I'm saying is that if Armageddon is going to allow rapists on their staff team, they might as well allow rape in their game. I've already proven that surprise mudsex is the ultimate form of the tagline, "Murder, Corruption, Betrayal." You might as well have a tagline named "Child Abuse, Cannibalism" but draw the line at eating dead babies.
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Post by jkarr on Jul 31, 2020 8:56:05 GMT -5
go cry abt it in a staff complaint if u dont like their reasons for removing it |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 10:55:46 GMT -5
What I am hearing is that you want ArmageddonMUD, specifically, to be a Sacred Safe Space for the world's most depraved pervos. it already is one for some of the worlds most depraved and unapologetic snuff and torture exhibitionists u dont have an argument staff dont and never have collectively given a fraction of the shit u and others do abt what their pbase gets off to if no rules are broken staff removed rape because they got too much complaint request work from enough players over other players who couldnt stop their ooc reactions to it from bleeding over ig and creating ridiculous and unrealistic eventlevel responses to mere accusations much less actual rape rape wasnt and has never been out of theme in the game the only thing ever deemed out of place from it was the retarded ig responses that pushed staff to remove it Seriously, get some professional help. You are so far past acceptable behavior that I dont care if you are trolling. |
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Post by jkarr on Jul 31, 2020 11:29:32 GMT -5
Seriously, get some professional help. how abt apply ur own advice and pay someone to teach u to stop returning to read shit that pisses u off edit: looks like he took the treatment he paid for and deleted his acct  |
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Post by pinkerdlu on Jul 31, 2020 16:42:04 GMT -5
I don't even agree with jkarr but gawd, you lot are making just the worst, garbage, emotionally driven posts.
This is what happens when the good players who care about the game move on and realize it's a lost cause, while the gdb sycophants take to the shadowboards to defend the sanctity of their 20 player text-based skyrim because mudsex is only for naughty pervy boys. That feeling when 'bad behavior' in a text-based game gets compared to the American destruction and pillaging of Vietnam. Personally, I feel it's way more comparable to the Soviet (and American) rape of German women and children after the Nazi surrender in 1945.
"P-please jkarr... stop trying to rape us... let us skin chalton in peace"
No, I wouldn't want Armageddon to become even more like Haven or any other degenerate sex-based rape simulator. Granted, I think the game is full of creeps who already play around the rules as much as they can (getting bullied or socially pressured into a questionable act or sexual relationship is not uncommon), and enabling more 'inappropriate acts' with the barrier of player consent wouldn't necessarily destroy this already dying game. I think the #NoConsent gang are scumbags, and the idea that they were getting 13 yr old Thomoto to parrot their hashtag is obviously fucked but typical of the gdb crowd at this point. Kind of like when they went apeshit and railroaded Bebop's legitimate claims of harassment and got her thread locked.
Yes, jkarr is a numbskull for sticking to the idea that anything is absolutely fine as long as it adheres to the world lore, staying in-character and the rules of the game. That goes against what this forum is even about. Fuck the lore, fuck staying in-character and fuck the rules of the game, if something is retarded it deserves to be shat on. But that's his opinion and he's just a neckbeard on the internet, no reason to blow a gasket lol. I feel like we're forgetting to mention that there are actual sexual predators on the staff team, like we've highlighted on these forums for years. But let's ignore that because Shalooonsh is so sweet and such a good storyteller who does so much for the game, right guys?
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