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Post by sawbot on Apr 25, 2020 13:44:12 GMT -5
For what it's worth I think a big part of it is which tribe you are a part of. The Dahn are one of the more diplomatic and sociable tribes, imo. Where as tribes like the Zafir Nez only sort of tolerate the nation.
As a Zafir Nez my pc regularly did awful, provocative things and never got into any trouble with NPC Zafir Nez elders though I did experience kickback from outsider NPCs who were understandably upset at the terrible things my character was doing. I defintely did and said worse things to the Ebon Claw than your Dahn did and never had ZN elders react to it. Even when we were attacking people INSIDE of Shetno we didn't get an elder try to put us straight.
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Post by skywalkerog on Apr 25, 2020 16:42:32 GMT -5
From what I have seen/heard - Zafir Nez have mostly been doing what they are supposed to do, although the PKing inside Shetno is frankly stupid and so unlike Zafir Nez to do.
The 2 Dahn Fain that came after Rising Ashes were absolute trash - Total and absolute disregard of documentation and what Dahn Fain were 'known' for. Shame on you.
Ebon Claw are not absolute. They aren't -that- much stronger. It's a trio of politics, military and magickal power. Any 2 (or even 1 in situations) within the Tribal nations could gang up and give Ebon Claw a serious run for their money - except politics again.
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Post by psyxypher on Apr 25, 2020 17:18:15 GMT -5
From what I have seen/heard - Zafir Nez have mostly been doing what they are supposed to do, although the PKing inside Shetno is frankly stupid and so unlike Zafir Nez to do. The 2 Dahn Fain that came after Rising Ashes were absolute trash - Total and absolute disregard of documentation and what Dahn Fain were 'known' for. Shame on you. Ebon Claw are not absolute. They aren't -that- much stronger. It's a trio of politics, military and magickal power. Any 2 (or even 1 in situations) within the Tribal nations could gang up and give Ebon Claw a serious run for their money - except politics again. I assume I'm included in here. I'm not familiar with anyone named "Rising Ashes", but 3 Dahn Fain were active at the time. I also assume you're not going to give any examples and just accuse me of something without telling me what. I hope I'm wrong, here.
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Post by skywalkerog on Apr 25, 2020 18:01:21 GMT -5
Dahn Fains 2 busy pking and raiding shetnese, dahn fains 2 busy mudsexing Zafir Nez and in love (when Dahn Fain are the ones who manipulate them) while gith siege the Nations outpost, Dahn Fains ignoring elders, Dahn fains ignoring docs.
Please, which one are you?
Rising Ashes was the Dahn Fain that set the standard for the clan, he had a tent full of cures, hides, bones, wood, herbs, gear, food, poisons, had a true building being built via Ja'Ja'Jik from a deal that was made with his Ni'Dahn Fain (the first one), had built a big enough reputation for his tribe in Shetno that Fain were welcomed with open arms and even protected in the walls with several willing to work for Dahn fain in their exploits of rare materials, and a line of trade set up with several prominent figures in Shetno.
Fast forward, somehow Dahn Fain are now raiders to the Shetnese.
Good job. 1-2-3 fains, they all failed horrifically coming from a very strong position of success. Oh, and Zafir Nez was under his boot until he got murder-stomped by an elite gith he'd killed a hundred times before.
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Post by psyxypher on Apr 25, 2020 18:17:12 GMT -5
Dahn Fains 2 busy pking and raiding shetnese, dahn fains 2 busy mudsexing Zafir Nez while gith siege the Nations outpost, Dahn Fains ignoring elders, Dahn fains ignoring docs. Please, which one are you? Rising Ashes was the Dahn Fain that set the standard for the clan, he had a tent full of cures, hides, bones, wood, herbs, gear, food, poisons, had a true building being built via Ja'Ja'Jik from a deal that was made with his Ni'Dahn Fain (the first one), had built a big enough reputation for his tribe in Shetno that Fain were welcomed with open arms and even protected in the walls with several willing to work for Dahn fain in their exploits of rare materials, and a line of trade set up with several prominent figures in Shetno. Fast forward, somehow Dahn Fain are now raiders to the Shetnese. Good job. 1-2-3 fains, they all failed horrifically coming from a very strong position of success. Oh, and Zafir Nez was under his boot until he got murder-stomped by an elite gith he'd killed a hundred times before. Are you a sockpuppet account for "Longlivetheking"? Serious question.
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Post by longlivetheking on Apr 25, 2020 18:19:42 GMT -5
Dahn Fains 2 busy pking and raiding shetnese, dahn fains 2 busy mudsexing Zafir Nez while gith siege the Nations outpost, Dahn Fains ignoring elders, Dahn fains ignoring docs. Please, which one are you? Rising Ashes was the Dahn Fain that set the standard for the clan, he had a tent full of cures, hides, bones, wood, herbs, gear, food, poisons, had a true building being built via Ja'Ja'Jik from a deal that was made with his Ni'Dahn Fain (the first one), had built a big enough reputation for his tribe in Shetno that Fain were welcomed with open arms and even protected in the walls with several willing to work for Dahn fain in their exploits of rare materials, and a line of trade set up with several prominent figures in Shetno. Fast forward, somehow Dahn Fain are now raiders to the Shetnese. Good job. 1-2-3 fains, they all failed horrifically coming from a very strong position of success. Oh, and Zafir Nez was under his boot until he got murder-stomped by an elite gith he'd killed a hundred times before. Are you a sockpuppet account for "Longlivetheking"? Serious question. lol
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Post by skywalkerog on Apr 25, 2020 18:24:08 GMT -5
No, I'm Player of Rising Ashes who was literally about to make a carraka and kill the Zafir Nez and Fain involved in that horrific clusterfuck, until you all died and spared me the time of salvaging Dahn Fain
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Post by psyxypher on Apr 25, 2020 18:25:46 GMT -5
No, I'm Player of Rising Ashes who was literally about to make a carraka and kill the Zafir Nez and Fain involved in that horrific clusterfuck, until you all died and spared me the time of salvaging Dahn Fain You didn't interact with my character once, did you? EDIT: Also, this outright seems to be against at least one of the games' rules...really unsportsmanlike. You could have just, you know, made another Dahn Fain...
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Post by mehtastic on Apr 26, 2020 7:18:31 GMT -5
As someone who is proud of Ikthe and Co.'s work and is happy to see it done, and would help more if not for personal/family matters, I have to say:
I think this thread proves, unfortunately, that a game that is essentially a derivative of Armageddon is going to attract the same problems Armageddon attracted, and fester in the same way Armageddon did unless appropriate measures take place. This thread (and the shoutbox at the time of posting) is largely a dick measuring contest about players PKing characters under dubious circumstances (possibly targeting characters because of who they might be played by). Armageddon also has a bunch of immature man-children who want to feel powerful, both player-side and staff-side, and we have seen how that game turned out. Incapability of common decency on a player level is what led to the same hierarchical power differences Armageddon has. With few reasonable voices as exceptions, a lot of you have some work to do on yourselves before you would make a good player of this game or any RP-focused game.
Stop living vicariously through your characters. It's unhealthy as fuck.
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Post by samosforpresident on Apr 26, 2020 12:41:19 GMT -5
Honestly, the majority of this is assumptions or exaggeration. Not sure why we needed this forum in the first place as all it's doing is speaking about IG occurrences that were handled IG and derived from negative actions on the guilty party inside of the game. People do need to learn to separate and look at their actions before thinking they're right all the time and that its some kind of ooc collaborative shitfest.
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Post by leowhyn on Apr 26, 2020 12:59:29 GMT -5
I have high hopes for apoc, there are always gonna be toxic people playing games, one of my brothers gets so Irate playing WOW that he says to most vile and hateful thing. That is a game that is casual unlike apoc or arm where you a roleplaying a loss of a character is not a loss of a several days of your time.
Yes it shouldn't be but I get attached to my PC's and genuinely morn their deaths, because they feel like real people to me, I do live vicariously through my PC's but that's mainly because I have so many mental problems and past trauma. arm or apoc creates an environment to play out my fantasies in what I consider a more healthy way.
The only thing I can say is I try to do my part to treat people with respect and can only hope that others do the same.
None of us are perfect and its sad when there is power imbalances with staff and playeres. As the saying goes power corrupts ultimate power corrupts ultimitely. I feel that staff in apoc are trying to give back player agency. I hope its not favoritism. because I have only seen good things concerning staff and players.
As far as what was sai about people needing a lot of work before they could make good roleplayers. They gotta start someplace and I would rather play with bad roleplayers that have good intentions then a really good roleplayer that is a toxic outside of the game.
With that being said, it is so refreshing to play on epoc around people that are emoting like crazy and "seem" to be roleplaying correctly.
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Post by mehtastic on Apr 26, 2020 13:17:24 GMT -5
leowhyn : Yeah, I'm not saying that people should work on their RPing skills before they try an RPI - that's an elitist and ridiculous attitude. The "really good player that is toxic outside of the game" archetype really fits several veteran Armers well - Shalooonsh comes to mind - and that's not what I meant to imply at all. The context of my post is that people should not be working out their personal issues - things like loneliness, feelings of being ostracized, or poor anger management - in an RPI or MUSH. I have a brother that used to get pissed off playing LoL so I get "being angry at a game", but he also has anger management issues and there's a lot of people like him. Same with lonely people who seek an outlet for other psychological issues in MUDs. A group of fellow RPers is not a replacement for a therapist.
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Post by psyxypher on Apr 26, 2020 13:49:50 GMT -5
Honestly, the majority of this is assumptions or exaggeration. Not sure why we needed this forum in the first place as all it's doing is speaking about IG occurrences that were handled IG and derived from negative actions on the guilty party inside of the game. People do need to learn to separate and look at their actions before thinking they're right all the time and that its some kind of ooc collaborative shitfest. I'm personally leaning towards "Trying to find an IC excuse, no matter how dubious, to kill another player's character and make them miserable because I hate them personally." So far I've been given zero reason to doubt this. I didn't immediately come to this conclusion, either. The fact that multiple people have downright insulted me for just playing the game, to the point where one person was going to roll up a character for the sole purpose of killing mine and I think you can start to see why I'm coming off as paranoid, ya? Especially considering that I've been told in no uncertain terms that someone knows who my PCs are and hates my guts.
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Post by longlivetheking on Apr 26, 2020 14:05:39 GMT -5
Real talk, though. Apoc is more of a RPI than I originally thought it was going to be. I expected Arm lite, but it grew into its own thing. The staff here have almost always been fair, and almost always been willing to work with me. I very rarely ask for anything and they bend over backwards to make sure it happens. It may take a few days, but it does get answered and typically dealt with. Aside of one or two problems players, the people who try are genuinely fun to RP with. It's been a long time since I've saw people as cardboard cut outs.
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Post by psyxypher on Apr 26, 2020 14:07:28 GMT -5
Real talk, though. Apoc is more of a RPI than I originally thought it was going to be. I expected Arm lite, but it grew into its own thing. The staff here have almost always been fair, and almost always been willing to work with me. I very rarely ask for anything and they bend over backwards to make sure it happens. It may take a few days, but it does get answered and typically dealt with. Aside of one or two problems players, the people who try are genuinely fun to RP with. It's been a long time since I've saw people as cardboard cut outs. The things you've said to me over PMs directly contradict the latter part of this statement. Almost disgustingly so.
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