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Post by shakes on Dec 6, 2019 12:57:44 GMT -5
Staff: I know you're reading this because you reference my posting here every time you want to deny me something.
My best, heartfelt advice? If you're not going to do something about Shalooonsh, at LEAST get rid of the Armageddon Discord. It's causing you way more trouble than it's worth.
In lieu of that, put in a #join announcement which states that no staff will ever contact you privately and if it occurs, notify an admin immediately via the complaint system.
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Post by punished ppurg on Dec 6, 2019 13:01:12 GMT -5
This incident is the whole definition of "big if true".
Don't telnet servers (MUDs) read hostnames over the socket? What's this IP comparison? If the hostmask was the same then I could see the conclusion. I am 99% Armageddon knows hostnames. Why push less concrete information as evidence if you have access to more concrete corroboration in the form of hostmasks? I could be completely wrong.
In any case, it's not out of character for this to happen.
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Post by delerak on Dec 6, 2019 13:01:28 GMT -5
How about we don't get rid of the discord.. that's ridiculous. It's a great form of communication and if they did get rid of it another one would just pop up that is player driven (as if that doesn't already exist). It's nice to have access to staff in a personal format for those that are okay with PMs.
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Post by shakes on Dec 6, 2019 13:01:31 GMT -5
Not really. I still defend Arm. I don't defend staff blindly but I will give them the benefit of the doubt because stupid fucks over here want to fabricate reviews and just be overtly pissed at the game that basically the consensus with staff is that anyone posting here wants to see the game burn. It sucks because I'm only here because of the freedom to say what I want. I don't like being censored or moderated. I defend what I perceive as fairness. Some individuals on staff get the benefit of the doubt. If this complaint had been levied at, say, Akaraiel or Draugr, I'd be like, "WTF, that's most likely fake." But I've now seen too much of staff shenanigans to just blindly give ALL staff the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes it's legit, upon smelling a fart in the air, to look at the guy who everyone knows farts a lot.
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Post by shakes on Dec 6, 2019 13:03:18 GMT -5
It's nice to have access to staff in a personal format for those that are okay with PMs. Spend a lot of time talking to staff in Discord pm's, do you?
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Post by Jeshin on Dec 6, 2019 13:04:11 GMT -5
Where do you stand on pixel trackers?
EDIT - Longterm fabrication done by someone to make staff look bad or actual thing that happened by staff or someone who liked the game very much.
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Post by delerak on Dec 6, 2019 13:12:01 GMT -5
Where do you stand on pixel trackers? EDIT - Longterm fabrication done by someone to make staff look bad or actual thing that happened by staff or someone who liked the game very much. It's absurd. And if I get banned for posting here I won't look back. I've never agreed with banning players who decide to post here.
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Post by Jeshin on Dec 6, 2019 13:13:57 GMT -5
That's not what I meant. Did the staff do pixel tracking or did someone take the time to do it over months then report it to make them look bad.
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Post by shakes on Dec 6, 2019 13:14:24 GMT -5
Where do you stand on pixel trackers? Me? Fully against. Staff has never really made it clear (at least not to me) what their stance on this forum is. Spreading of ooc information? Supposedly that's a no-no but it's also like handing out speeding tickets on the freeway. They get to pick and choose who they're going to punish for that rule. Discussion of game mechanics? That was specifically called out against me by staff on multiple occasions. Why is it allowed on the GDB but not allowed here? I've never understood that one? Being insulting to staff on another forum? Well, they can get over themselves. They aren't the high priests of my fun. I'll insult who I damned well feel like.
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Post by shakes on Dec 6, 2019 13:19:53 GMT -5
That's not what I meant. Did the staff do pixel tracking or did someone take the time to do it over months then report it to make them look bad. You couldn't have been less clear. I have no idea who did the pixel tracker thing. I would lean towards believing some helpful person on staff or a friend of staff did it since they were the one who "benefited" from that knowledge. But that's more or less a dead issue with me ... seeing as how I posted my account name and character history. Any "discovery" staff would have had to have make about Shakes the Shadowboard Lurker was freely given away.
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Post by delerak on Dec 6, 2019 13:34:23 GMT -5
It's nice to have access to staff in a personal format for those that are okay with PMs. Spend a lot of time talking to staff in Discord pm's, do you? No I'm just saying it's nice to have them available rather than it be some ephemeral request or email that takes a while. We live in a different time now, everyone has a phone and can easily respond. I think most of us just want a response regardless if we're inquiring on something. I've had good experiences with PMs though, specifically with Aromit, that guy is good.
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Post by shakes on Dec 6, 2019 13:37:13 GMT -5
Okay, I looked through some old back-and-forth in requests with Shalooonsh.
The commentary in the log provided by the accuser doesn't match the way Shalooonsh talks. It's possible he talks completely different in Discord, but I kind of doubt it. He's slicker and well, actually amusing to talk to. He puns, he shucks and jives, he's clever.
I am LOATH to defend Shalooonsh in almost any situation. He and I have some bad blood. However, this looks fabricated to me at this point.
My suspicion is that he probably did contact her via Discord once or twice at least, but the rest of it seemed fabricated.
I also think I remember the character 'Ryn'. That character was having mudsex with Mors 5 minutes out of chargen for a new set of gear and inclusion into the Red Storm 'crowd'. Didn't seem like a newbie to me at all. Or if it was, they certainly played at a much higher meta-level than I ever did as a newbie. I could barely FIND Red Storm at that point, much less integrate myself into spying, politics, and the social scene.
Bottom line ... I think this one is fake. SOMETHING probably happened between this person and Shalooonsh, but I don't think the posted transcript is legitimate.
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Post by shakes on Dec 6, 2019 13:38:47 GMT -5
I'll concede that point. If Akariel and Aromit were the "voice" of Armageddon on Discord ... this wouldn't be an issue ever.
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Post by delerak on Dec 6, 2019 13:56:08 GMT -5
Ironically the reddit post will probably send a decent amount of new players over to Arm. Any publicity is good publicity.
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Post by shakes on Dec 6, 2019 14:10:05 GMT -5
Ironically the reddit post will probably send a decent amount of new players over to Arm. Any publicity is good publicity. Yeah. And I guarantee you there are vast hordes of would-be players out there who are thinking, "All I got to do is type a steamy sex scene for staff to get a cushy role? Sweet! Sign me up!" Yet again I'm annoyed by the legions of nerds circlejerking to the text game in which I simply wish to kill things with bone swords and find a lootbox. Probably just stole half of Sindome's playerbase with that post.
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