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Post by shakes on Oct 7, 2019 16:48:29 GMT -5
Oh, and to address the sponsored Templar and byn sergeants point that Jkarr made ...
I also give THEM shit respect.
A new Templar on the scene, other than the fact he can snap his fingers and have me killed, he's got to prove himself to me before I'm going to give him much respect. There's a Templar selling mounts and sitting beside a giant pile of dung in the bazaar. Maybe this new Templar is destined for the same level of importance, or maybe he's going to produce some Nektol-quality intrigue. Don't know yet ... we'll see.
As for sponsored Byn sergeants ... almost universally despised by me. The same as sponsored Guild bosses. You didn't earn it. You bypassed probably 5 other people who HAD earned it but staff chose not to promote them and instead give it to you for free.
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Post by delerak on Oct 7, 2019 16:49:59 GMT -5
I think the problem is treating gladiators like this is Rome. It's not, is it even within the confines of the game world to idolize gladiators? I feel like idolatry of a slave in general would be non-existent in this kind of world.
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Post by shakes on Oct 7, 2019 16:51:35 GMT -5
In my experience with my Reigning I was pleasantly surprised with some of the players in that they were very "down" for the RP aspect of interacting with the celebrity gladiator. I'm a habitual fader so any ERP was faded and I sometimes lost some interest from certain players. But what resulted is what I believe to be a pretty three-dimensional set of stories revolving around my PC. I think some Allanaki citizens would just be looking to get a notch on the belt with a glad like mine, anyway. So no harm, no foul in my eyes. I'd say a lot of players just had no idea what to do around my PC, though, in public or otherwise. My PC was generally looking to use people for things/favors, so those who were okay with being starstruck long enough became involved in some shit. It was cool. Sidenote: Yes, some players were too into the Spartacus UNCUT HARDCORE BACKROOM SCENES. That's anywhere, though. I don't think I ever saw a bad reigning gladiator at roleplay. They did the best with what they were given. But I think they would have done equally well with some scrub stalker in chalton-boots right out of chargen. Their quality of roleplay was good, but the role isn't all that awesome. They made the best cheeseburger they could out of that tired old dairy cow. I particularly liked interacting with the Banker and the Vulture. |
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Post by jkarr on Oct 7, 2019 16:51:40 GMT -5
As a counterpoint, my rinthers have almost always been impressed with gladiators. I've given them gifts and bought plenty of drinks. But my desert types? No. Your gladiator is a joke to me. In much the same way some MMA fighter would probably amuse a Navy Seal. yeah but thats more of a city/wasteland thing another difference is that knowing coded how ur char might compare doesnt account for differences ur char might perceive between say gladiator combat and outdoor combat its the same reason the navy seals/mma thing doesnt match because in the octagon the mma guy would rip the seal a new one if they hadnt also trained to fight that way |
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Post by jkarr on Oct 7, 2019 16:57:13 GMT -5
Oh, and to address the sponsored Templar and byn sergeants point that Jkarr made ... I also give THEM shit respect. A new Templar on the scene, other than the fact he can snap his fingers and have me killed, he's got to prove himself to me before I'm going to give him much respect. There's a Templar selling mounts and sitting beside a giant pile of dung in the bazaar. Maybe this new Templar is destined for the same level of importance, or maybe he's going to produce some Nektol-quality intrigue. Don't know yet ... we'll see. As for sponsored Byn sergeants ... almost universally despised by me. The same as sponsored Guild bosses. You didn't earn it. You bypassed probably 5 other people who HAD earned it but staff chose not to promote them and instead give it to you for free. yeah and thats why i would call shitty play for all the wrong reasons especially if it is a rule for all ur chars towards roles that would incite fear and not just for one char who has some weird quality that makes him not fear someone with that power based on whether he has or hasnt seen them ig before u are talking as ur player thru that and not in any way as ur char and that is the main problem i see with how u view proper char interaction with other chars ur awareness of how those roles may be generated ooc to influence how all of ur chars treat those particular chars that is not at all what u do lol |
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Post by shakes on Oct 7, 2019 17:00:25 GMT -5
Meh. The quality of my roleplay is what it is.
You probably shouldn't judge it based on those comments alone anymore than I'll judge your intelligence based on your use (or lack) of the shift key.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 17:21:26 GMT -5
I judge him a lot for his grammar and punctuation. His post was almost as painful as Grumble's once was .
Having said that. I actually agree with it.
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Post by jkarr on Oct 7, 2019 17:53:10 GMT -5
Meh. The quality of my roleplay is what it is. You probably shouldn't judge it based on those comments alone anymore than I'll judge your intelligence based on your use (or lack) of the shift key. i cant speak to all of ur rp but what ur talking abt up there is shitty play because ur substituting virtual facts with days played and rather than just limiting the way u use that knowledge to a quiet metagame u are making all ur chars literally view those roles differently ig based on their first login date thats a whole other story |
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Post by jcarter on Oct 7, 2019 18:57:35 GMT -5
was arm always so mud-sexed focused, or has this been a shift over time?
genuine question. i never really noticed or encountered it as much as people on here have, so i'm wondering if it's been a change in recent times (e.g. 2010-present) or always like this and I just never heard about it because there were no off-site boards.
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Post by jkarr on Oct 7, 2019 19:08:40 GMT -5
was arm always so mud-sexed focused, or has this been a shift over time? genuine question. i never really noticed or encountered it as much as people on here have, so i'm wondering if it's been a change in recent times (e.g. 2010-present) or always like this and I just never heard about it because there were no off-site boards. my money says naki players bitched because the smut doubled in their city after tuluk closed |
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Post by lechuck on Oct 7, 2019 20:03:56 GMT -5
was arm always so mud-sexed focused, or has this been a shift over time? genuine question. i never really noticed or encountered it as much as people on here have, so i'm wondering if it's been a change in recent times (e.g. 2010-present) or always like this and I just never heard about it because there were no off-site boards. I think it probably always was, but there used to be more shit going on so the mudsex was less in your face. The wankfests took a backseat to things like the liberation of Tuluk, occupation of Luir's, Copper War, etc. Now there's jack shit going on in the world so it's a lot more obvious how many players are just trawling for ERP. |
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Post by explayer on Oct 7, 2019 20:04:46 GMT -5
One thing I liked about the arena matches is that it would draw people from around the city out of their closed rooms and into the stands together. There'd be the interactions between various people to watch and listen to. As a Gemmed, you could hear more conversation than for the rest of the two weeks combined.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 20:09:55 GMT -5
You would laugh. But actually, there is a lot "less" mudsex then how it was before. A lot of romantic roleplaying plots, but a lot more FTBing. The recent attention to it is artificially drummed up. I mean if you compare Armageddon to Sindome. Another really awesome mud, Arm is almost conservative  . Part of the reason why there is somewhat less mudsex is because the players are grown up. They get plenty of sex IRL, they dont need to stroke the monkey in the game. Before, when the playerbase was a lot younger ... oooph. Playing a drovian, or randomly jumping form player to player, will get you into a weird scene every single day. But the attention to it is definitely new. Usually it's "Ohhh, too many dwarves, or not enough celves, or the HGs are too smart." The 'too much sex' is a new one. |
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Post by baobob on Oct 7, 2019 22:12:47 GMT -5
I like that the staff tried something. There were some difficulties. It all started off stronger. It didn't seem that there was anywhere near enough interplay between the various Gladiator-owners as staff probably hoped. Without some of that interplay, it gradually devolved into just another light-show towards the end.
The super-status and recognition for the trainers irked me no end. Probably a pet-peeve, but it just seemed like way too much power and prestige for even a skilled slave, both socially and politically.
The role of slave-Gladiator had some troubles. I don't know about sexy-times with the Reigning. They probably shouldn't have been involved in intimate RP unless their owner arranged it all as some special "favor" to the willing participant, closely arranged and controlled. Invited them into the training pit for their approved liaison. Unlikely any owner would let their prize investment get involved in any other much more risky situation. Eventually it looked like the Champion was ending up playing Kruth truth or dare with the usual clique of favored social players in 'nak week after week.
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 8, 2019 5:54:29 GMT -5
As a sidenote (despite a certain Baghdad Bob trying to make it the main topic of the thread), if Kruth or dare is still as big as it is, then mudsex is big too. The Venn diagram of Kruth or dare players and never-FTB mudsexers has always basically been a circle.
That said, a lot of single-purpose roles tend to devolve pretty quickly when it's impossible to build constant activity around that role. From the perspective of the game's design, gladiators are a lot like nobles and templars in that they have related functions to the game's world: they exist to demonstrate how these types of characters exist in the game. A noble serves as an example of nobility, a templar serves as an example of the templarate, and a gladiator serves as an example of a gladiator. If it's difficult for a gladiator to exert control over their own role, perhaps because there aren't gladiatorial events and because players want to do other things besides gladiatorial events with gladiators, then that combination of social pressure and isolation will force the players of gladiators to change how they play in order to gather roleplaying opportunities. Armageddon has always been about making connections and finding people to roleplay with through those connections.
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