mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 7, 2019 13:31:22 GMT -5
Well, it's a good reply. Thanks for adding some extra context my2sids. It's good to divert resources to other clans/groups that need those resources more. It's also good to acknowledge to players why something is going away, if only to get an idea of staff's rationalization and figure out if it's sound or not. For example: staff's closure of Tuluk. Lots of vocal players hated Tuluk, and staff closed it to focus on other areas, but its closure led to stagnancy in world-spanning plots and a large drop in players in the year or so after the city's closure. Closing a clan won't have nearly as much of an impact on the game as closing an area, of course, but it's still worth investigating.
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Post by shakes on Oct 7, 2019 13:42:06 GMT -5
I mostly enjoyed the actual reigning gladiators. Some of them were kind of asshats but some of them were pretty fun to interact with. The problem I had a lot of the time was that I would play antagonistic to Nak in some way so I rarely had a chance to interact with them. They spent a lot more time in Red's than the Gaj and they certainly never made it to the Mantis.
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vex
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Post by vex on Oct 7, 2019 14:37:17 GMT -5
I avoided the gladiator scene, because most glads were really pushy about mudsex. As in, I don't think ANY male gladiator I ran into EVER engaged in ANY interaction with my pcs, or female pcs around them, that wasn't basically NICE TITS BABE IM A COOL GUY LETS FUCK style "roleplay". I only happened across one female glad, and it was pretty much an offensive bulldyke stereotype, who more or less wanted the same thing.
I would have preferred all that time and effort, had gone into a city elf clan, the Guild, or maybe even a certain spice clan that has remained irrelevant and non-functional forever. There are so many areas, just starved for enrichment and staff attention.
Instead, we got a parade of he-man fantasy men on a quest pussy... because we just didn't have enough of that in game already, right?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 14:48:15 GMT -5
It's an easy trope to fall into. You're a gladiator. You're a celebrity. You're not a celebrity due to your wits! You gotta act all macho because that's literally what the role requires.
I bet WWE wrestlers act the same way as well. Even if half them have minuscule ball sacks due to all the steroids and they've long lost interest in opposite sex.
Sex is part of life. There is a gazillion of vocations IRL that require women 'and' men to appear just a hair short of sexually enticing to keep clients attention piqued. Especially in entertainment/service/sales industry. Dont take it too seriously, would be my advice.
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Post by shakes on Oct 7, 2019 15:09:21 GMT -5
I've had a few characters who did the whole lecherous thing as part of their character. I generally did it in an elf-sleazy way that would be rejected. It was part of the whole "you really shouldn't trust me at all" vibe I was trying to project.
If someone had accepted it I would have ran screaming from the room.
So I don't really judge a reigning gladiator for it since I don't know their motivations. They may have just wanted to build a more realistic character and push the only sort of plots they were allowed to push.
If I want to fault someone for being a mudsex sleazebag then it's the people who take sponsored roles and then do nothing but interact with a partner all day long in an apartment somewhere, neglecting all the duties of the sponsored role. That's the only real issue I have with it.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 7, 2019 15:14:13 GMT -5
It's an easy trope to fall into. You're a gladiator. You're a celebrity. You're not a celebrity due to your wits! You gotta act all macho because that's literally what the role requires. I bet WWE wrestlers act the same way as well. Even if half them have minuscule ball sacks due to all the steroids and they've long lost interest in opposite sex. Sex is part of life. There is a gazillion of vocations IRL that require women 'and' men to appear just a hair short of sexually enticing to keep clients attention piqued. Especially in entertainment/service/sales industry. Dont take it too seriously, would be my advice. I'm not sure the advice of "don't take it seriously" is really applicable to "these two dimensional characters only wanted sex and it was sad / boring to RP around" it would seem the player already didn't take it seriously because it was a stereotypical bad joke to them.
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vex
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Post by vex on Oct 7, 2019 15:27:17 GMT -5
I have no illusions about the world we live in, and I am very much aware that sex appeal is at least as valuable as merit.
However, in a creative endeavor such as Arm, where we're rich in opportunities to expand the game in interesting and diverse ways, it feels like we continue to trudge in circles in the same, tired old mire. You can be a fantasy he-man in basically every clan in the game, without issue, or it even being out of character. The issue isn't sexuality, but that we're investing time and resources into special snowflake outlets for what is already common, and even prevalent.
You can be a ripped combat pussy hound any time, anywhere, as it pleases you. We didn't need to construct an entire apparatus, to further enable it.
Those resources could have gone towards enriching and enabling other, neglected and rarely-if-ever represented aspects of the game, such as the examples I outlined, in my prior posting. The Two Moons clan, for another, is a good idea, that enables interactions between spheres that, previously, had not much reason or opportunity to interact together.
Gladiators were just a way for socials to play ripped strongmen who are also social powerhouses, without any of the pesky effort, and it never failed to show in interactions.
Gladiators being gone, and those resources made free for other projects going forward, can only be of benefit to the game.
Provided, of course, they aren't immediately dumped into the Happy Maid Milk Bar, which naturally caters to lithe handsome social men of... particular tastes.
I suppose, we'll have to wait, and see.
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Post by shakes on Oct 7, 2019 15:31:41 GMT -5
Vex is sniffing around what REALLY bothered me about that whole thing, including sponsored roles in general.
I don't respect anyone who was given their life for free. And when you build my 'respect' into the lore and then try to tell me I'm a bad roleplayer if I don't pony up that forced respect ... it pisses me off at a visceral level.
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Oct 7, 2019 15:56:48 GMT -5
Vex is sniffing around what REALLY bothered me about that whole thing, including sponsored roles in general. I don't respect anyone who was given their life for free. lol well thats kinda dumb ur respect as a player for what another player did or didnt have to do shouldnt factor in at all to ur chars rping realisticly around them might as well extend that to nobles templars and role call byn sergeants id say tho based on responses here that maybe staff expected more from players than to have them abandon realistic rp and lore just because it doesnt square with their ooc knowldge and judgment of how those chars are generated
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 7, 2019 16:17:27 GMT -5
I think what shakes is getting at or what I will contribute is.. you cheapen the world when you let shit players play leadership roles.
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Oct 7, 2019 16:27:34 GMT -5
I think what shakes is getting at or what I will contribute is.. you cheapen the world when you let shit players play leadership roles. no shakes said he liked most of the reigning gladiators but didnt like being forced to rp respect for players who were given their chars life for free i think ur talking about vexs pt
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 7, 2019 16:36:36 GMT -5
Ah yes I was reading the thread wrong
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Post by shakes on Oct 7, 2019 16:41:17 GMT -5
Jkarr is right about my point. He and I don't agree on the issue, but he's right about what I meant.
The gladiator thing is just somewhat ridiculous to me. I'm NOT your average Allanaki commoner. I'm a guy who goes out every day to fight scrabs and tarantulas to bring home a couple of chalton steaks. Why would I respect some guy who beat some other guy in an arena deathmatch? Did you see the shit that chased me back to the gate earlier? Your average reigning gladiator would piss his oiled codpiece at a bus-sized tarantula suddenly busting out of the sand to reel him in the head. Not to mention those three mul raiders who just suddenly rode across the dunes as soon as you dismounted to pluck a buzzard.
There are plenty of people who roleplay characters that never leave the gates to face the horrors of the sands. Let THEM be impressed that someone split the skull of someone else in a staged fight. I'm neither impressed with it IC or OOC.
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Post by shakes on Oct 7, 2019 16:43:00 GMT -5
As a counterpoint, my rinthers have almost always been impressed with gladiators. I've given them gifts and bought plenty of drinks. But my desert types? No. Your gladiator is a joke to me.
In much the same way some MMA fighter would probably amuse a Navy Seal.
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my2sids
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Post by my2sids on Oct 7, 2019 16:43:59 GMT -5
In my experience with my Reigning I was pleasantly surprised with some of the players in that they were very "down" for the RP aspect of interacting with the celebrity gladiator. I'm a habitual fader so any ERP was faded and I sometimes lost some interest from certain players. But what resulted is what I believe to be a pretty three-dimensional set of stories revolving around my PC. I think some Allanaki citizens would just be looking to get a notch on the belt with a glad like mine, anyway. So no harm, no foul in my eyes. I'd say a lot of players just had no idea what to do around my PC, though, in public or otherwise.
My PC was generally looking to use people for things/favors, so those who were okay with being starstruck long enough became involved in some shit. It was cool.
Sidenote: Yes, some players were too into the Spartacus UNCUT HARDCORE BACKROOM SCENES. That's anywhere, though.
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