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Post by Jeshin on Oct 10, 2019 11:01:48 GMT -5
To those outside third parties coming to this. This is just a moment in which Qwerty has finally occupied three positions at once. Thus allowing people who have been wanting to demonstrate his snake oil salesman posting to others an opportunity to do so. Think of this as a public flogging in which one side is going ACKNOWLEDGE, ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR SHILL-DOM OR PROVE IT WITH MOAR BAD POSTING and the other side is going NAY! Really this would all be done if any of us had the time or inclination to actually go back and cite Qwerty posts in full. Do one of those arguing against yourself videos but in post form, no one had time for youtube video editing this. youtu.be/-WmMj4lfpdc |
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Post by foobar on Oct 10, 2019 11:38:59 GMT -5
Shabago, yesterday, on the official discord:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 11:39:47 GMT -5
Both posts claim the same exact thing. Neither one of them is true. As can anyone who plays the game, has watch, and frequents public places can attest. there's multiple present players of Arm who have publicly stated that they have seen this same thing happen. are you really saying that all these people, whom play and enjoy Arm and are active in the community, are making it entirely up?
There are multiple people saying they see people having sex in taverns without asking for consent?
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Post by delerak on Oct 10, 2019 11:52:13 GMT -5
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 10, 2019 11:52:33 GMT -5
 There was also shakes' account of random sex at the Luir's firepit IIRC, but I'm sure that the staff patsy will argue that a firepit isn't a tavern and will screech about basement dwelling again. |
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Post by jcarter on Oct 10, 2019 12:15:10 GMT -5
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 11, 2019 5:54:16 GMT -5
So here's where things stand now, in terms of our understanding of the facts:
- Multiple reviews have been posted suggesting that sexual roleplay happens in public places without the consent of others
- Multiple players have stated that, in an unknown length of time into the past, they have seen sexual roleplay out in the open that they did not consent to seeing
- Shabago has stated that they checked the runlog and did not see hemotes of a sexual nature in a public place within the past 15 days
- The phrasing of Rule 2 suggests that players only need to ask consent before pursuing a scene. There are no other junctures for asking consent according to the rules, e.g. when new players enter the room. Currently, asking those players for consent mid-scene is voluntary.
- Staff have shown interest in reviewing the veracity of these claims but have shown no interest in reviewing their game's rules.
As of now, this looks like yet another issue that will go unaddressed. Players new and old will continue to be exposed to sexual/torture scenes they didn't consent to and the issue will likely go under-reported. Nothing will fundamentally change until staff's hand is forced somehow, as usual.
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Post by shakes on Oct 11, 2019 15:56:48 GMT -5
There was also shakes' account of random sex at the Luir's firepit IIRC, but I'm sure that the staff patsy will argue that a firepit isn't a tavern and will screech about basement dwelling again. Hey, no, it was in the Arabet tents firepit. Not Luir's. |
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Post by baobob on Oct 11, 2019 16:41:54 GMT -5
So here's where things stand now, in terms of our understanding of the facts: - Multiple reviews have been posted suggesting that sexual roleplay happens in public places without the consent of others - Multiple players have stated that, in an unknown length of time into the past, they have seen sexual roleplay out in the open that they did not consent to seeing - Shabago has stated that they checked the runlog and did not see hemotes of a sexual nature in a public place within the past 15 days - The phrasing of Rule 2 suggests that players only need to ask consent before pursuing a scene. There are no other junctures for asking consent according to the rules, e.g. when new players enter the room. Currently, asking those players for consent mid-scene is voluntary. - Staff have shown interest in reviewing the veracity of these claims but have shown no interest in reviewing their game's rules. As of now, this looks like yet another issue that will go unaddressed. Players new and old will continue to be exposed to sexual/torture scenes they didn't consent to and the issue will likely go under-reported. Nothing will fundamentally change until staff's hand is forced somehow, as usual. I don't think that's quite right. Adjusting below: - Some anonymous reviews of have very recently been posted claiming that naughty roleplay had happened in public places without their consent. - Some players have stated that, in their history of playing, at some unspecified time in the past, they have encountered sexual roleplay out in the open that they did not consent to seeing. - The phrasing of Rule 2 suggests that players only need to ask consent before pursuing a scene. There are no other junctures for asking consent according to the rules, e.g. when new players enter the room. Currently, asking those players for consent mid-scene does not seemed defined. - Staff have shown interest in reviewing the veracity of these claims, have rapidly made adjustments to the age of playable PCs and clarified that the game requires an age of consent to play based upon player and reviewer concerns but have not changed Rule #2. Whether this is under review or not is unclear. Your last paragraph is based on the incorrect argument statements and seems to display personal slant. |
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 11, 2019 17:04:43 GMT -5
Thanks for rephrasing my list, leaving out point #3, and pointing out that I might have a personal opinion about the thing I've been following for the past week. Should be helpful to anyone who didn't find that already obvious! There was also shakes' account of random sex at the Luir's firepit IIRC, but I'm sure that the staff patsy will argue that a firepit isn't a tavern and will screech about basement dwelling again. Hey, no, it was in the Arabet tents firepit. Not Luir's. Dang, I never remember where the good sex parties are. |
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Post by jcarter on Oct 11, 2019 17:12:11 GMT -5
the thing that surprises me is how upset the arm community is over this, as if it's some sort of huge scandal and smear on the purity of the game. thirsty nerds mudsex each other all the time in the game. players roleplay prostitutes and sell their sexual services. there's documentation in game and have been PC pleasure slaves.
someone posts that they saw lewd emotes, and suddenly the community is grasping at pearls and shouting that such a thing is not possible in their christian video game because it's against the rules, as if that's stopped anyone before. again, the person never said the hemotes turned them off of the game...or that they were even sexual. they said 'lewd'. it could have been someone hemoting leaning to the side and farting, and a graphic description of the stink. but wowee this has worked people up into a furor.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 11, 2019 17:29:27 GMT -5
So I was turned onto Hamilton a few months ago. The animatics on youtube are pretty spiffy. I leave you with this one and lets see if people can pull out the key phrase from it... youtu.be/uduagwxKGi4 |
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 11, 2019 17:34:23 GMT -5
the thing that surprises me is how upset the arm community is over this, as if it's some sort of huge scandal and smear on the purity of the game. thirsty nerds mudsex each other all the time in the game. players roleplay prostitutes and sell their sexual services. there's documentation in game and have been PC pleasure slaves. someone posts that they saw lewd emotes, and suddenly the community is grasping at pearls and shouting that such a thing is not possible in their christian video game because it's against the rules, as if that's stopped anyone before. again, the person never said the hemotes turned them off of the game...or that they were even sexual. they said 'lewd'. it could have been someone hemoting leaning to the side and farting, and a graphic description of the stink. but wowee this has worked people up into a furor. The guy on Reddit did eventually write to clarify that he saw "oral sex", but yeah, the main thing that drove him off was the fact that his newbie coins got stolen and he was going to starve to death if he stayed logged in much longer. |
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Post by jcarter on Oct 11, 2019 17:49:08 GMT -5
hahaha, thanks i just checked back. i love this back and forth.
dude complains about game being newbie unfriendly and says that drove him away, doesn't care about hemotes. what do armers do? write up 350 words interrogating him about it, claim they're being persecuted, and then finish with a simple 'oh the stuff that drove you away? yeah that's part of the game tough luck'.
completely tone deaf that no one actually cares about the hemote sex thing and arm's biggest problem for newbs is the harshness.
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Post by mehtastic on Oct 11, 2019 18:00:50 GMT -5
Armageddon should probably find an ambassador that doesn't write 100% like qwerty and doesn't talk down to newbies in the way qwerty or ShaLeah do. Mansa's pretty good at representing Arm on Reddit.
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