FROM GDB: The rinth needs teeth

Not Bebop, nor Loonsh was on staff during their tuluki tryst.

Well, it's fairly clear that Bebop's posts on the GDB thread come from a personal standpoint of being frustrated with the state of the Labyrinth and it's fine for that public frustration to lead to criticism of the game. Hell, that's literally what most posters do here. It's too bad that she lost a character in what sounds like the end of a pretty dumb plot (wearing silt horror shell in the 'rinth, really?), but the main point of the thread centers around the fact that the Guild has no coded support for its existence. In a game where code backs up roleplay, that seems pretty damn important.

Nobody has coded support. Sorry but I have zero sympathy for players that get pkilled playing in a fucking 'mafia' organization. Same goes for any Byn or anything, you're already a target as soon as you step in game. There is literally only one role that gets coded support and that's templars and nobles. Nobles get an NPC guard and templars can 'call' soldiers out of thin air if I remember correctly. That's it though, every single other role is on their own at any moment and that's kind of how it should be.

PS: The guild is a shit clan and has been forever, nothing is new here. 'Rinth makes up about 2% of where players play or even start and most just do it as a throw away.

What position is that? There is plenty of code for you individually to backup but what exactly would you like for the "rinth to have teeth"? Perhaps we should make some units of rag-tag rinth dwellers that the guild leaders can 'order' to gank whoever they want? The rinth has as much teeth as the players are able to bring to it just like anywhere else in the game world.

Note that I am not arguing that the guild is a strong clan, it's weak and always has been.

Because the guild is not a strong clan. It never has been and is not meant to be. The Byn has hundreds of mercenaries but sergeants don't get NPCs to order around, same goes for 99% of every other clan in the game. Why templars are an exception to this is beyond me. Templars have way too much coded power, period. They shouldn't get shit and should be forced to claw their way to power like everyone else. The whole 'starting strong' is annoying because it rarely works. Look at how quickly the turnover is for sponsored roles, it's crazy.

What makes a clan strong? It will always be the players. Virtual means shit all. The staff can only animate so much. You get a lot of pcs you get a strong clan. Guild will go thru phases of pc numbers but typically these are pockets of cliques arising where players want to play all together so the guild provides that closeness. No clan has had the staying power that the byn has and I dont think ever will.

Generally the threat of reprisal works as well as an actual reprisal. The staff could simply increase force projection with IC rumors of the guild striking out against those who wrong them. Doesn't even need to be PCs, throw some NPC corpses around. Setup a room trigger with like a 5% chance to echo some guild hit going on against someone that 'wronged' them. Make a few throw away PCs RP them for a couple week have them rabble rouse and start shit and then 86 them to show even PCs can be punished, just so happens these ones are RPed by staff no one needs to know... The message is clear. Once that's done you just put on some heavy animation pressure when you become aware of inappropriate flexing. If it's really needed you make a move, but the bar will be higher than the one you advertised.