delirium
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Post by delirium on Mar 14, 2023 12:58:20 GMT -5
I mean this was Brokkr's response to me during a request thread in which I objected to how I was treated by Hestia and asked for an apology: He did not respond again in that request chain. I guess I was too toxic for him.
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joe
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Post by joe on Mar 14, 2023 13:06:48 GMT -5
Armageddon staff are not professional.
They are as reactionary, emotional, and invested in the story as any player, but they are given power and authority which draws out the clear expression of superiority.
They are absolutely horribly at managing people, their reputation, and the trust of the community. They have been recruited through relationships based on friendship/proximity or skill in crafting stories/writing.
Armageddon staff =/= professional.
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delerak
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"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on Mar 14, 2023 13:37:43 GMT -5
This isn't a fortune 500 company people. They (we) are all amateurs. The only person ever involved in Arm that I know of that was a professional writer was Sanvean. Please list any professional game designers, writers, actors involveded with this game. I think I once asked if anyone was a pro game designer in the Arm discord once and Shaloonsh of all people said of course people on staff have that experience but prefer not to share it with the community (fucking lol). No I don't buy that for a second.
If people become successful as a professional they are likely not going to be involved with Arm because they're too busy being a successful professional.
I'm an unemployed stay at home dad. I don't mind saying that because it's the truth which I value above all other things. Arm is not special. It is mostly a bunch of anonymous random names that are involved for escapism, perhaps with Arm the escapism is so good it attracts people who need it, when I was younger I loved it for sure.
The community has for the most part been absolute shit. Case in point: The amount of people who have talked shit about me on the GDB is staggering and they don't even know me. Shaloonsh himself on facebook once made a comment when I left for Afghanistan about "suddenly becoming pro-war". Arms community is full of bullies both in-game and out of it in the discord and GDB.
Fuckin go get a gym membership and do something for your physical and mental well being.
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Mar 14, 2023 13:40:26 GMT -5
At a certain point it's just an issue of mutual respect. Staff don't respect the players, remaining players generally respect the staff. There is respect there but it's not mutual.
Staff don't respect players' time: incomplete request solutions, barebones responses to reports, poor clan support, poor ROI when putting time into the game Staff don't respect players' intelligence: misleading posts, victim-blaming, throwing fits when players don't like what they say, attacking the person rather than the idea Staff don't respect players' emotional capacity: responding to players that are clearly upset with responses that will just upset them further, no cooldown period before answering requests, staff routinely gaslight players
Players that respect themselves recognize when staff don't respect them. Hence the playerbase decline.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Mar 14, 2023 14:28:36 GMT -5
This isn't a fortune 500 company people. man you dont need to be a fortune 500 company to not bungle a response this hard like all this talk of professional-level human resources PR nonsense coming out of some people is a bunch of hooey all they actually had to do was the following 1. unban everybody doesn't matter what they did. doesn't matter if they were involved with the current situation. just delete that banlist and start over fresh-- those were decisions of a previous administration that was clearly not about it. don't make anybody beg for it through the request tool. just do it. bans are about pointless anyhow. 2. ban shaloonsh first on the new list. dude just can't stop creeping on people and being a shitter. ban. 3. write up an apology to everyone you figure deserves one. bebop and delerium come to mind, i'm sure there are more. doesn't even have to be super formal, even an untitled e-mail saying the exact following "hey sorry you had to go through all that mess, the ship has capsized and we're working on unfucking this boat. shaloonsh has been given the boot. standby" would probably be received 100% better than the weird kinda dismissive whatever apologies they've put up so far 4. staff announcement stating: we fucked up and we're digging into some ideas and structures what for not fucking up no more. 5. proceed to not fuck up no more if this were their first initial response, i can just about guarantee you that things would be going a lot more smoothly for them it's not that hard
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Post by eukelade on Mar 14, 2023 14:32:26 GMT -5
You can behave in a civil, respectful manner, even if you are running a volunteer hobbyist organization. You can also require that anyone who joins you in volunteering maintains the same standard of behavior. It isn't hard.
(unless you're Bokkr i guess then it is really really hard 🥺)
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Post by Azerbanjani on Mar 14, 2023 14:35:22 GMT -5
Servers at IHOP have better conflict resolution than Arm staff
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Post by ocotilloskewers on Mar 14, 2023 14:37:15 GMT -5
We need to get some Waffle House employees on staff.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Mar 14, 2023 14:38:43 GMT -5
like jesus screaming in agony on the cross christ, is bebop still banned?
people have been telling them brazenly on the gdb and in discord that they need to unban bebop and that she should not have been banned in the first place
a step towards putting a whole bunch of players at least a little bit at ease has been spelled out and waved in front of their face for a hot minute now
the writing is on the wall but they're illiterate i guess
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joe
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Post by joe on Mar 14, 2023 14:48:43 GMT -5
We need to get some Waffle House employees on staff.
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Post by lechuck on Mar 14, 2023 14:55:49 GMT -5
At a certain point it's just an issue of mutual respect. Staff don't respect the players, remaining players generally respect the staff. There is respect there but it's not mutual. Staff don't respect players' time: incomplete request solutions, barebones responses to reports, poor clan support, poor ROI when putting time into the game Staff don't respect players' intelligence: misleading posts, victim-blaming, throwing fits when players don't like what they say, attacking the person rather than the idea Staff don't respect players' emotional capacity: responding to players that are clearly upset with responses that will just upset them further, no cooldown period before answering requests, staff routinely gaslight players Players that respect themselves recognize when staff don't respect them. Hence the playerbase decline. And I would add to that: staff don't respect players' characters. If you're not an old friend of whatever staff member you're dealing with, odds are that they don't give the remotest of fucks about your character and all the time you've put into it. They will do nothing whatsoever to ensure that you actually have a good time playing the game. If the code screws you over unfairly, they will do nothing to fix it for you unless it was an actual glitch, and even then, they'll look for any reason to do nothing anyway. They won't think twice about rendering your whole character concept completely irrelevant and unplayable for little to no reason, just because they can see the slightest shadow of an excuse to do so. This game's staff behaves as if enjoying the game is something you need to do in spite of them, like you're doing something they never really intended in the first place if you actually have fun and make some interesting moves of your own accord. With my last PC, it was as if they went out of their way to ensure that I was bored and unable to get anything done, even though I had literally never so much as stolen from a PC or otherwise hurt or crossed anybody.
That's to say nothing of the countless PCs that have been force-stored for reasons that often amount to grudge-filled revenge from bitter, scornful staff. We've heard of that so many times. While I haven't experienced it myself since the days of Nyr, I recall how a simple disagreement with him got railroaded into the forced storage of my character, for literally no reason except he wanted to punish me for disagreeing with him. And it's not as if they've stopped doing this since those days. Didn't Delirium and Ender have their PCs force-stored for daring to confront staff about something completely unrelated? Staff don't give a fuck about your PC and all the time and effort you put into it, because they generally harbor a pervasive sort of resentment towards the playerbase. Confiscating your PC is one of their go-to methods of asserting their authority over you. There isn't even the pretense that it's reserved for cases where they can't justify letting you keep your PC due to your actions with it. It's just a way to sabotage your play and make you suffer if they don't like you. It's like their shitty way of getting around the fact that they're not technically allowed to PK you with animations.
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joe
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Post by joe on Mar 14, 2023 15:04:47 GMT -5
Crimcode for "chase that criminal" is brutal, but makes sense
Permawanted status with psionically skilled HGs with perfect memory and human or giant guards that instantly look at everyone's faces and compare them to instantaneous and decades old information...that...is unreasonable and gamey.
We could...totally...write it with blah bla blah about psionics and the city...but I've never heard anything like that.
All permawanted status does is drive characters out of playable areas and close them off. It's a tool that slows, closes, and dampens the story...it does not encourage engagement. total meh right
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Post by Azerbanjani on Mar 14, 2023 15:16:00 GMT -5
Perma-crime code should not exist in any game that doesn't have cyberpunk dystopia cyborg policemen
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delerak
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"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on Mar 14, 2023 15:32:41 GMT -5
My first day
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Post by gringoose on Mar 14, 2023 19:00:57 GMT -5
It's like their shitty way of getting around the fact that they're not technically allowed to PK you with animations.
I had staff animate a guard NPC using sponsored role PK tactics in the Gaj to attack a character of mine, and every guard there including the half giants piled on my character.. And I've had a character attacked by a d-elf animation using high speed shoot and run PK tactics. I got lucky and killed that d-elf after chasing for what felt like 20 rooms. The whole time that staffer played that animation with no fear of death and waited until the last second to run so they could try to get as many shots in as they could. That character would have been dead if I didn't have Ruk buffs active. I thought the d-elf was a PC until I saw its corpse. If I knew it was a staff animation I'd have ran rather than chased.
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