ask
Clueless newb
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Post by ask on Mar 6, 2023 0:53:00 GMT -5
I post here under my account name and continue to be just fine. These days, sure. I don't think staff would dare intervene in a player posting here now. That doesn't negate the past however and it certainly should not be forgotten at a time like this. If you make them mad, they will add it to your "list of sins" as was done to me, to justify a banning.
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Patuk
Shartist
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Post by Patuk on Mar 6, 2023 1:19:31 GMT -5
I had Oleupata dole out a mute on a whim for quoting her own words back at her; they lash out when upset plenty of times, sure. All the more reason to separate the people with the bad IC consequences from the OOC consequences crowd. I can but pray.
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Post by paladont on Mar 6, 2023 9:19:56 GMT -5
I had Oleupata dole out a mute on a whim for quoting her own words back at her; they lash out when upset plenty of times, sure. All the more reason to separate the people with the bad IC consequences from the OOC consequences crowd. I can but pray. I thought they added a player moderation thing. I suppose they haven't actually done it yet. No timeline given either so I'll wager it'll be at least two or three weeks. They found the 'mute' function of discord. That's an improvement from instant bans, I think. Good on them.
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Post by nottriste on Mar 6, 2023 11:37:47 GMT -5
They found the 'mute' function of discord. That's an improvement from instant bans, I think. Good on them. It's taken them 5 years to find the mute button, just like I imagine it would take Shabago 5 years to find the clitoris. Armageddon is an inherently antisocial game. It's one of the few games where you can get perma-banned for talking to a friend about your character (gasp, having friends and talking to them, what a concept). I am not shocked my personality is as questionable as it is today given what Armageddon did to one of my RL friendships: when I was around 12, I was sharing an apartment on Armageddon with my best friend in middle school. Being a dumb kid, I took some stuff out of his IG apartment, and he went berserk on me IRL and didn't talk to me for years. He became an avid Armageddon player, discovering a stat roll exploit that guaranteed him OP characters. While I was taking a break from Armageddon in high school and focusing on grades, this old friend of mine was flunking out of school IRL but "winning" in Armageddon, fucking Templars and the like because of the stat roll exploit. Fast forward 10-20 years and my brother, who still plays Armageddon, told me that this old childhood friend who ditched me because I stole a table from him in Armageddon was now in prison IRL, and needed my help. Sometimes I wonder if his entrenchment in the antisocial community of Armageddon is part of how this vaguely intelligent blonde boy who I used to call a friend ended up in prison. If anything, that is about the only thing I could commend Armageddon for over the past few years: providing antisocial people, if not outright sociopathic and psychopathic people, an outlet. This is probably why there have been periodic drama eruptions, when less antisocial people realize they are getting fucked with by gross abusers like Shalooonsh whenever they engage with the game. It's the antisocial messes who dump more time in this game who get more rewarded and immunity from staff punishment. If staff are trying to be sweet, improve relations and have finally found that clitoris mute button, I wish them luck on repairing years of ass-hattery.
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Post by nottriste on Mar 6, 2023 11:45:25 GMT -5
Just came back here thinking about editing my post because it was "too mean" but had the wisdom to check the Armageddon discord first, and sure enough the first thing I see is a staff pet gloating about being sexist and ableist. Like most staff pets he is a caucasian biological male... like 90% of staff pets, really, and can say whatever the fuck he wants without ever getting punished. Yeah, I'm not the problem here.
Basically as Bebop and others found, the "high road" when it comes to Armageddon has been to leave the game for more than a decade. I'll be watching to see if anything changes. My conscience is clear, I know *I'm* not the biggest, leakiest asshole in this scenario.
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Post by eukelade on Mar 6, 2023 12:29:37 GMT -5
I was a player moderator for years and never found it necessary to moderate to even a percentage of what's going on currently. I also recused myself from moderation if I had strong feelings on the subject or was the target and asked someone else to handle it. Player moderation by responsible players does work, but only if staff stays hands off with the process and the moderators follow clear and responsible guidelines. I was actually still a gdb moderator until a couple days ago (despite asking to be removed literally years ago, I guess they just forgot about me haha. ON BRAND!!! I am pretty forgettable ) its a good thing i am not a very malicious or sabotage prone person
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Mar 6, 2023 13:10:32 GMT -5
I was a player moderator for years and never found it necessary to moderate to even a percentage of what's going on currently. I also recused myself from moderation if I had strong feelings on the subject or was the target and asked someone else to handle it. Player moderation by responsible players does work, but only if staff stays hands off with the process and the moderators follow clear and responsible guidelines. I was actually still a gdb moderator until a couple days ago (despite asking to be removed literally years ago, I guess they just forgot about me haha. ON BRAND!!! I am pretty forgettable ) its a good thing i am not a very malicious or sabotage prone person you could hAVE MADE SO MUCH MISCHIEF
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delirium
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Post by delirium on Mar 6, 2023 13:29:01 GMT -5
I was actually still a gdb moderator until a couple days ago (despite asking to be removed literally years ago, I guess they just forgot about me haha. ON BRAND!!! I am pretty forgettable ) its a good thing i am not a very malicious or sabotage prone person you could hAVE MADE SO MUCH MISCHIEF *is a player mod for years and years and years* *is called toxic* *voluntarily resigns mod privileges when quitting, despite the fact they'd obviously forgot I had them* yeah buddy you guys really have your heads screwed on straight and are thinking clear as day lemme tell ya
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Post by eukelade on Mar 6, 2023 13:34:59 GMT -5
I was actually still a gdb moderator until a couple days ago (despite asking to be removed literally years ago, I guess they just forgot about me haha. ON BRAND!!! I am pretty forgettable ) its a good thing i am not a very malicious or sabotage prone person you could hAVE MADE SO MUCH MISCHIEF there are pretty clear moderator logs so at most I think I could have done one (1) mischief before being discovered and my mod flag removed.
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Post by eukelade on Mar 6, 2023 13:36:33 GMT -5
*is a player mod for years and years and years* *is called toxic* *voluntarily resigns mod privileges when quitting, despite the fact they'd obviously forgot I had them* yeah buddy you guys really have your heads screwed on straight and are thinking clear as day lemme tell ya look i dont know what to tell you. only toxic people ethically and responsibly use their power wisely and for the good of a community. its in the DSM and everything.
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delirium
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Post by delirium on Mar 7, 2023 11:27:23 GMT -5
*is a player mod for years and years and years* *is called toxic* *voluntarily resigns mod privileges when quitting, despite the fact they'd obviously forgot I had them* yeah buddy you guys really have your heads screwed on straight and are thinking clear as day lemme tell ya look i dont know what to tell you. only toxic people ethically and responsibly use their power wisely and for the good of a community. its in the DSM and everything. this got a snortlaugh out of me, thank you
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Post by eukelade on Mar 7, 2023 12:45:41 GMT -5
While your advice is excellent, I have to wonder how we could possibly expect them to implement such a culture in the short-term, much less the long term. when I wrote my post I did so without any expectations. being attached to the outcome of your advice or analysis is not a good work ethic. furthermore I was happy to give them a freebie because of my memories and the good times I have had in this game and the people I met and cared for - and because it felt like the right thing to do. I really did love Armageddon and part of me always will! But I have to agree with you here. The work that needs doing to drag this game out of the toxic internet culture of the mid 2000s and course correct in favor of community health and a more defined value system is a lot. A lot a lot. Lots of discussions. Lots of stress and thinking that isn't fun. A lot of getting everyone aligned and on the same page which takes fair leadership and the ability to listen to everyone which also is hard. Lots of documentation to write. Potentially lots of code to overhaul. They need to develop a full roadmap to successfully build themselves out of this situation that touches on every aspect of Armageddon from the community to the website to the game itself. Oh and nobody's getting paid for any of it. I guess I don't know enough about their current team to say for sure it's hopeless. Young adult me who loved this game passionately feels it is hopeless and this team of loose knit volunteers with little to no experience in game development outside of this mud is going to crash and burn. IDK. I think there is a universe in which they pull themselves together and get it done, it would be nice if it was this universe but we don't have Stephen Strange here to tell us the odds.
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delerak
GDB Superstar
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"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on Mar 7, 2023 13:50:24 GMT -5
It's really not that hard. Ban staff avatars and any staff that doesn't like it can go, if they only play for that reason then they aren't worth having as a dungeon master to begin with. Next get rid of anyone who supported shaloonsh's weird behavior or is his friends, birds of a feather flock to whatever the fuck, just get rid of them. Execute them in public that's what the mob wants.
They could just do that and they'd be fine.
Then put me in as producer, in charge of public relations and making sure no one is being a fuck tard "behind the curtain". They're fuckin' out and I'm fuckin' in, that's the only way to do this.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Mar 7, 2023 13:55:02 GMT -5
#DELERAK2023
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Post by eukelade on Mar 7, 2023 13:57:28 GMT -5
It's really not that hard. Ban staff avatars and any staff that doesn't like it can go, if they only play for that reason then they aren't worth having as a dungeon master to begin with. Next get rid of anyone who supported shaloonsh's weird behavior or is his friends, birds of a feather flock to whatever the fuck, just get rid of them. Execute them in public that's what the mob wants. They could just do that and they'd be fine. Then put me in as producer, in charge of public relations and making sure no one is being a fuck tard "behind the curtain". They're fuckin' out and I'm fuckin' in, that's the only way to do this. true true
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