forarm
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Post by forarm on Aug 15, 2013 8:42:41 GMT -5
It seems to me that a buff maxed out ranger can beat the shit of your average warrior until the warrior branches advanced weapons.
A warrior of course still has disarm, bash and kick but ranger/aggressor can too. Ranger parry is a little lower then warriors and the weapons skills might be a tad lower too just below branching but nothing too extreme.Rangers have no shield skill but dual wielding and two handed is pretty awesome especially with charge and their riding level.
So the question really is: Does a warrior have offense and defense skill caps far greater then a ranger? Now from the sounds of it, they don't which is why its important for a warrior to learn advanced weapons to truly shine, otherwise a ranger could give them quite a bit of trouble and probably win easily they are way more buff or mounted. What do you guys think though?
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Post by lurklord on Aug 15, 2013 12:06:02 GMT -5
All offence and defence caps at 100% regardless of guild/race, unless an admin decides to modify it.
I've had warriors able to beat rangers with triple the time played because shield use is objectively and undoubtedly the best style outside of advanced weapons. Don't even get me started on disarm. If a character has a notably higher disarm skill than you, you've already lost unless you've got a OHK backstab/magick.
Edit to say: The reason shield-use only caps at 45, even for warriors, is because they're -that- good.
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forarm
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Post by forarm on Aug 15, 2013 20:48:01 GMT -5
Actually novice-apprentice-journeyman-advanced-master are based on the highest level the best class can get to it. Lets take parry for example, assume the actual highest number value is 45 (I know its not but just an example) then warriors will see this as master, since they are the best class at parrying. However if rangers can only get parry to 35, then they will see it as advance, never getting to master it.
I'm not sure but i don't think rangers get to master shield use (maybe someone can confirm), i never tried but i know they can get pretty advanced in it. I have mixed feeling about shield use, it is okay but seriously two_handed skill feels like its really the shit even from a defensive point of view.
The skill lists here are a bit outdated. Rangers branch disarm in addition to parry. I'm guessing (maybe someone can correct me) that they don't reach master level but I'm guessing they get pretty far into advanced at least. In which case its not as easy as you would think for a warrior with master disarm to disarm you, in fact there is a good chance they can still critically fail with your own disarm reaching that high.
The only thing i thought a warrior would have going for them is higher skill caps on offense/defense aside from advanced weapons. Again if its true what you say about defense/offense being the same then rangers with the right subguild are just vastly more fun to play and probably more deadly. Besides you can probably count how many warriors alive in the game right now have reach advanced weapons anyways.
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Post by lulz on Aug 15, 2013 20:49:52 GMT -5
Fights factor in your base offense/defense.
Yes, an old ranger caaaan mop the floor with a 10 day warrior. That being said, disarm/shield use and bash are game changers. Warriors win in a straight up brawl, rangers win at sniping.
And yeah, max shield use for warriors is reDONKulous.
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Post by lulz on Aug 15, 2013 20:54:21 GMT -5
Actually novice-apprentice-journeyman-advanced-master are based on the highest level the best class can get to it. Lets take parry for example, assume the actual highest number value is 45 (I know its not but just an example) then warriors will see this as master, since they are the best class at parrying. However if rangers can only get parry to 35, then they will see it as advance, never getting to master it. Incorrect AFAIK. I'm not sure but i don't think rangers get to master shield use (maybe someone can confirm), i never tried but i know they can get pretty advanced in it. I have mixed feeling about shield use, it is okay but seriously two_handed skill feels like its really the shit even from a defensive point of view. Sorry, wrong. Rangers suck at shield use. Don't even bother using that crap if you're a ranger because it won't be of any use until you get a higher base defense anyways. The skill lists here are a bit outdated. Rangers branch disarm in addition to parry. lolwut? If they do, which skill does it branch off of. I've played a host of badass rangers and never once branched it. The only thing i thought a warrior would have going for them is higher skill caps on offense/defense aside from advanced weapons. Wrooooong. Every. One's. Offense. And. Defense. Caps. At. 100. srsly |
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Post by deadelf on Aug 15, 2013 21:04:04 GMT -5
Agreeing with Lulz. I've seen master dual wield and advanced parry but never disarm.
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Aug 16, 2013 5:23:16 GMT -5
the skill caps do not scale with class. rangers will never master shield use. it will stay stuck at advanced
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forarm
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Post by forarm on Aug 17, 2013 1:51:23 GMT -5
Does knife making still branch from piercing for assassins?  And do you guys know if ranger weapon levels get to master or just advanced? I assume warrior weapons level hit master? |
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Post by lulz on Aug 17, 2013 8:46:58 GMT -5
IIRC yes, knife making still branches from piercing for assassins. Good luck with that though, the time it will take to reach that level is ridiculous.
Regarding the skill level of rangers, they reach as high as 70 I believe, which is between advanced and master. Highly powerful indeed.
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And do you guys know if ranger weapon levels get to master or just advanced?