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Post by jcarter on Oct 4, 2018 8:46:02 GMT -5
You seem to be pretty eager to twist my words to achieve what? Prove me some epitome of evil? Your efforts are rather transparent. From repeatedly ignoring the entire post of my making to key in on one out of context sentence of mental health and twisting it this way and that, despite others even commenting that you're reading it wrong. At first, I figured you ment to keep my words clear. Make me provide basis to my statements. That's alright. I can respect that. But at this point, you're just twisting and misrepresenting my own posts. It's a pretty translucent attempt, man. You can do better. lmao, i'm not trying to make you out to be the epitome of evil. i'm pointing out that you're a piece of shit and staff apologist who cries hysterically about a player killing other people in a video game but shrugs off the team he worked/works with harassing people IRL and needing police involvement. have you ever considered that the reason why people hate you and other members of staff and that these forums are 'so negative' is because you guys are human garbage? harassing people irl isn't ok. there's a zero tolerance policy towards it here. i will ban and remove members that harass others IRL and any information posted which would give people a means to it. i wish you guys could adopt that attitude. how about you denounce it? then maybe you can resign from staff and stop contributing to a game staff that supports IRL harassment? |
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 4, 2018 8:58:49 GMT -5
You know when there was the wiki leak or code leak, forget which one, Noted Liar Nergal attacked me on TMC under the name Noted Liar Nergal. He wanted -me- to denounce the leaks and admit Optionalrealities was a baddie website. Even though I never asked for the leaks, had no involvement in the leaks, and they weren't even hosted on my forums at the time. Kind of seems like if a producer of a game publicly calls you out and there was never an apology or counter statement issued that the staff 100% approves of denouncing things for the sake of morality.
I didn't but Optionalrealities (just like here) had a no tolerance policy to threats of violence and ooc harassment and we were the 'raiders' according to Nimrod from SOI.
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Post by pinkerdlu on Oct 4, 2018 9:31:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 11:36:56 GMT -5
There you go. Twisting words mentioned and emphasized on "this" very thread.
Which makes it easy to quote.
What's really written
Anyone unbiased and reading text in the way it's written, instead of trying to mould it into some kind of narrative. Should understand these posts that Yevad read stuff on different platforms that convinced him that it was Noted Liar Nergal posting by handle of Bronn and Qwerty read the same posts that convinced him that it was Noted Liar Nergal posting, unfortunately he didnt really pay enough attention to it, due to not giving a shit what handle Noted Liar Nergal was posting as.
How Jcarter wants to read it:
The level of fact and word twisting to create some kind of fantasy is actually unimpressive. The only people who could seriously buy that are people who want these things to be facts, regardless of reality.
The staff definitely has weird eggs. There is someone who leaked a serious amount of code. Amount that storytellers for example do not even have access to. That person may very easily be the one who leaked contact information to people immoral enough to send Noted Liar Nergal an email, mentioning his name and address, and saying there will be trouble if he bans anyone else. Does a threat like that sound like any known participants of these forums?
Out of the two of us, the only person who genuinely facilities the type of behavior is you, Jcarter. By hosting a forum that attempts to be a pit of echoing, circle-jerk of negativity that cannot handle a single attempt at seeing things as they really are. Unfortunately, there is still some benefit to these forums and they 'should' continue. But with some level of opposition so participants can see a topic from multiple sides. It's unfortunate though that it seems that some people's arguments devolve into twisting and turning statements into what they are not for some weird reasons.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 4, 2018 11:41:02 GMT -5
Jcarter removed personal information from the leaks and he didn't post them with the personal information and even offered to remove any further information that people found.
I don't quite see how he (or me) or the people who run MSB or the people who run TMC are responsible for any behaviour they condemn and censor on their various forums.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 11:48:25 GMT -5
What's MSB?
These forums, due to the churning whirlpool of goatshit that people tend to feed each other here, without even trying to think critically, tends to generate weird destructive behavior. Much like, for example that dude who claims to have created a bunch of fake accounts, to release an onslaught of nonsensical dwarf club tavern PKs.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 4, 2018 11:54:07 GMT -5
I mean you assume that this forum generated the weird dude who is griefing people. It could just as easily be someone from Goonswarm who likes RP games and wants to troll Armageddon and learned of this board. Could be some rando from reddit who likewise wants to get the lawlz. We don't know the account they're posting on isn't an old account is it? No indication they've been a long time poster? Then even if they were a long time poster I don't see a general consensus on this forum that the correct path of action is griefing people with PKs with no IC merit so you couldn't play guilty by association realistically anyway.
MSB is Musoapbox it's basically like OptionalRealities/Jcarter forums for MUSH/MUX/MU*s where game owners are called out on inappropriate behaviour and problematic players are haraunged and outed so they can be banned from games. Used to be known as WORA.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 12:05:29 GMT -5
Ah, yes. True.
And it's true. There is no general consensus on this forum regarding that weirdo dude. I'm actually very glad about that. It's just these forums are dedicated to one singular game, with active information leaking, and active twisting of facts into a negative spectre. Something I'm basically challenging, which is causing all of this ... discussion. MSB and other platforms do not focus on any specific game, they have different views, positive, and negative about the entire MU* community. They can and do challenge each other with their different views about everything all around.
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Post by Jeshin on Oct 4, 2018 12:07:42 GMT -5
I would point out of course the fact Armageddon manages to support its own forum with ups and down in activity might imply that it is in need of more objective consideration.
Also on MSB some games dominant the discussion. It used to be a game called Firan which would be like an RPI version of a MUSH. Now Arx, Paris of the West, Horror MUX, and Calavera all seem to be the primary games discussed (not all of it bad).
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Post by faroukel on Oct 4, 2018 12:31:09 GMT -5
marauders* This reminds me I got to check up on my Discord boys...see whose still breathing, behind bars, drowned in booze, or maybe still behind the computer screen. |
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Post by jcarter on Oct 4, 2018 13:50:55 GMT -5
The level of fact and word twisting to create some kind of fantasy is actually unimpressive. The only people who could seriously buy that are people who want these things to be facts, regardless of reality. your peers literally harass someone IRL to the point they call the police, and that's barely a blip on the radar. but some dude is annoyed at Arm and PKs people and you're over in the other thread crying about how this forum is to blame, relate it to terrorism, and post about how he needs mental health help. none of that quoted text is incorrect, nothing is being twisted. you literally posted all of those comments about someone killing video game characters. meanwhile, you had barely any response on these boards towards out-of-game harassment. nothing here is being twisted; you related it to terrorism (and later doubled down), you said this forum is to blame for some of it, and you suggested he needed get mental health help. 'blip on a radar' is an opinion based on comparison, but we can quantify that. we can, say, measure the words you spent gnashing your teeth in the other thread about a dwarf compared to talking about nergal being harassed out of game by staff. it is not incorrect, nor a mischaracterization of your attitude, to claim that @qwerty seems a lot more upset about a PKing dwarf than staff of his video game harassing someone IRL. see, this is part of why you're garbage. you're such a poor excuse for a human being that you're sitting here bringing up someone that leaked video game code IN A THREAD ABOUT SOMEONE GETTING HARASSED AND INVOLVING THE POLICE. do you have any evidence to suggest that a member of the forum is doing this? what is their username? who do you suspect did that? if you can show something, i will ban them and condemn the behavior as i have done in the past. really? you're accusing me of facilitating IRL harassment of Arm staff? i would love to see some evidence of that! people are negative about you and staff because you are shitty people that have eroded trust who haven't earned it back. and you absolutely deserve to have people call criticize you for being shitty people and discuss the ways in which you act as shitty people. |
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Post by jcarter on Oct 4, 2018 13:53:34 GMT -5
how about you denounce it? then maybe you can resign from staff and stop contributing to a game staff that supports IRL harassment? also @qwerty you failed to respond to this part of the post or denounce harassment. are you going to continue contributing to armageddon mud? |
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Post by yevad on Oct 4, 2018 14:09:08 GMT -5
qwerty, I think it shows that he posted as a guest on TMC because he deleted his account. But I'm not 100% sure because I always mix up TMS and TMC.
It's the Arm review where he talks about being stalked and harassed that convinced me. I have had run-ins with Noted Liar Nergal before and he used a lot of the same words as this person did in that review. Nobody talks about "infiltrating player cliques" but Noted Liar Nergal. In my experience he has this melodramatic image of himself as some sort of supercop who uses clever, covert means (tracking pixels being one example of that) to hunt down misbehavior, and that's exactly the way he portrayed himself in the review. And just the general way he talks about himself as the last good man standing in a sea of corruption is really telling. He also talks about how Arm (notice how he takes zero responsibility for himself) made him into an angry person (we all remember his meltdown). All that, plus the way he behaved when someone accused him of being Noted Liar Nergal, convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was him. I would be willing to stake just about anything on it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 0:36:01 GMT -5
I've got stuff to post here, Jcarter. I'm just a little bit too busy at the moment to make coherent posts.
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