kannot
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Post by kannot on Oct 3, 2018 22:58:26 GMT -5
That's probably a reaction to people avoiding the Gaj. They're trying to reassure people that it's safe to RP there. They could do that by changing the ancient and ridiculously stingy resurrection rules to include blatant griefing, like walking into a tavern and wordlessly slaughtering a random stranger for no reason. It's pretty fucking easy to tell what's a justified IC action and what's simply an attack on the game, no matter how much staff may cling to the slippery slope fallacy. No, Seidhr, players are not going to file for resurrection every time they die just because they heard of a guy who got one after a multiplaying griefer landed a kill--unless, perhaps, you refuse to acknowledge that that's even going on and thus create that grey area yourself. There's so much staff could do if they cared. When there's a period of time where a known griefer is trolling the game, simply send out an announcement about it and ask people not to make funeral arrangements when they see a character get grief-PKed. They have this weird idea that in-game actions are so supremely sacred that letting griefers shit on the game is a small price to pay in exchange for not having to ask players to briefly ignore that dead body while they check the logs and retcon it. Apparently it's better to avoid that miniscule lapse in immersion than it is to discourage extreme griefing. There's fifteen staff members. Fifteen fucking people supposedly overseeing this game. Staff gets an alert every time a player attacks someone, including the room name. How hard can it be to come and take a quick look when you see an alert for an attack in a tavern? And if you see that it's some account's first character and they haven't popped up on the radar before, as opposed to, say, a known professional assassin carrying out a hit, you briefly investigate after asking any players in the room to hold their reactions for a moment. The solution is so fucking simple, but they won't do it because fuck the playerbase. I'm saying this as someone from a very different roleplay environment. Are you familiar with any other RPI as intense as Arm which has a more involved OOC back and forth in the game? Given the casual manner in which people took reporting and OOC complaining in my last environment, I really appreciate this focus Arm has on staying in character no matter the cost. The idea that more or less anything you see is IC has its appeal (and costs). If you start discounting some events what you call a slippery slope fallacy I call a knife edge equilibrium. |
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Post by lechuck on Oct 3, 2018 23:21:52 GMT -5
I'm saying this as someone from a very different roleplay environment. Are you familiar with any other RPI as intense as Arm which has a more involved OOC back and forth in the game? Yeah, all of them. AtonementRPI, ParallelRPI, Shadows of Isildur, LabMUD, basically all of the other RPIs would take steps to discourage that level of griefing by not giving the griefer what he wanted. When staff refuses to do what's necessary by reversing the griefer's actions, they encourage the griefer to keep trying. It's like if the law said "you're not allowed to steal, but what you stole is now legally yours." We're not talking about "casually reporting" people for emoting badly or being annoying. We're talking about a known phenomenon of someone making multiple accounts to create throwaway characters with which to grief-PK random players in order to damage the game. How can you appreciate staying IC at all cost and simultaneously not want to discourage such behavior? How can your dislike of OOC intervention ever take priority over a griefer's self-proclaimed goal of bringing down the fucking game? It's not like he isn't breaking the rules. There's no excuse for doing nothing. Obviously he's not actually going to kill Armageddon, but he's clearly making the game worse for a lot of people: the ones whose characters he kills and the ones who no longer feel safe going to public gathering spots for RP. When someone declares that that's their goal and the game's staff doesn't do what's necessary to counteract that, the game's staff has failed. You can't stop something like this by banning the player, they'll just try again from a different IP. You can't expect to be able to tell from a character application whether or not it's a griefer and not let them into the game. The only way to stop this abuse is by retconning the results, thereby both actively nullifying the griefing itself and discouraging further attempts. It's how other games do it, and it's where Armageddon fails. They could fix all of this in ten seconds by posting an announcement: "We will investigate and consider resurrection for victims of the known griefer. Any other deaths are treated as they always were." |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 23:31:54 GMT -5
In a way, this is like terrorists trying to achieve a nation's way of life and values via random civilian killings. I generally support the policy of not negotiating with hostage takers and I truly doubt that staff will make any kind of public actions to respond, because asshats like that person does not deserve a response. Perhaps staff will do things to rectify matters if it does happen, but there is hope that it will not and nothing will actually interfere with the world, or the game's core values of ic/ooc separation and immersion.
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Post by lechuck on Oct 3, 2018 23:34:50 GMT -5
When terrorists kill civilians, police don't just silently ignore it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 23:51:40 GMT -5
It's silly to expect staff to release a step by step report of what's been done to punish/prevent the person who's doing it. They just did it. What exactly are you expecting? A public spectacle to satiate your hunger for drama?
In all honesty. If it genuinely became so staff was incapable of preventing people of sneaking grief PCs to randomly kill people, instead of changing a major paradigm of what makes Zalanthas Zalanthas, it's more likely to instead prevent new pcs to PK at all, or ban any use of VPN in general.
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Post by lechuck on Oct 4, 2018 0:54:40 GMT -5
Have you ever made a post without insane strawman arguments? You apparently disagree with everything anyone here ever says, so you invent things they didn't say and then shoot down those "arguments" with nonsense. You're such an underhanded, dishonest person that I'm going to block you and never try to discuss anything with you again.
Have fun whiteknighting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 1:01:26 GMT -5
Hey. Not a problem  . If what your heart desires is an echo chamber, where everyone agrees with everything you say, it's your choice.
You know. Strawman argument and disagreeing with everything everyone are saying are technically mutually exclusive.
Strawman argument is giving an impression of refuting someone, while actually refuting an argument that doesnt exist. Kind of difficult to disagree with everything, while arguing things that nobody presented. Perhaps your statements are so shallow, they're kind of easy to refute and this is your only real way of supporting your point? I guess it's a method, but it hardly makes that point more believable. Totally your choice though.
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Post by punished ppurg on Oct 4, 2018 8:13:43 GMT -5
"Staff rolling back grief PKs is like a government negotiating with terrorists".
Cool metaphor. Managed to make me feel bad for terrorism for being raped into a hackneyed argument.
Where do I put my subpoena? You know for this government body. Where can I put molotovs through windows?
#resist #neverNyr
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 11:13:19 GMT -5
ter·ror·ism
ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
noun: terrorism
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
What this guy "claims" to be doing.
The persuit of OOC based griefing against innocent random players to provoke staff to change their policies.
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Post by sessizlik on Nov 8, 2018 11:03:07 GMT -5
None of the threats I have below are illegal. They are all character plots. You probably heard about a dwarf hammering a staff pet in the Gaj. Hello, that was me. There is more... I have 3 different medium-lived characters in game under fake accounts (each created from unique locations via VPN), it is about time they fuck the game plots to punish the staff / game for all the wrongs they have done. Staff and their pets, beware as a dwarf hammer may find your head anytime, anywhere. You may be asking, why? Well, f**k you, that's why. You have stolen my precious years and f**ked the game, now it's my turn to pay it back. Each of these attempts will be posted here or elsewhere (if they are removed from here) You wasted time to train three fucking accounts, because a game wasted your time? Are you, sincerely and seriously, retarded? |
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Post by jkarr on Nov 8, 2018 22:28:52 GMT -5
None of the threats I have below are illegal. They are all character plots. You probably heard about a dwarf hammering a staff pet in the Gaj. Hello, that was me. There is more... I have 3 different medium-lived characters in game under fake accounts (each created from unique locations via VPN), it is about time they fuck the game plots to punish the staff / game for all the wrongs they have done. Staff and their pets, beware as a dwarf hammer may find your head anytime, anywhere. You may be asking, why? Well, f**k you, that's why. You have stolen my precious years and f**ked the game, now it's my turn to pay it back. Each of these attempts will be posted here or elsewhere (if they are removed from here) You wasted time to train three fucking accounts, because a game wasted your time? Are you, sincerely and seriously, retarded? why do u care how he wastes his time |
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Post by sessizlik on Nov 9, 2018 1:32:15 GMT -5
You wasted time to train three fucking accounts, because a game wasted your time? Are you, sincerely and seriously, retarded? why do u care how he wastes his time Because mocking people's fun. It makes me feel better. I let off steam. I feel I can shame him into not posting any more. Pick one or more. Why do you care about why I care? |
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Post by jkarr on Nov 9, 2018 3:30:52 GMT -5
why do u care how he wastes his time Because mocking people's fun. It makes me feel better. I let off steam. I feel I can shame him into not posting any more. Pick one or more. Why do you care about why I care? because ur choice in target says ur exactly the kind of player hed get off on clubbing again  plus ur pretty when u cry |
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Post by sessizlik on Nov 9, 2018 4:05:31 GMT -5
Because mocking people's fun. It makes me feel better. I let off steam. I feel I can shame him into not posting any more. Pick one or more. Why do you care about why I care? because ur choice in target says ur exactly the kind of player hed get off on clubbing again plus ur pretty when u cry I stopped clubbing when I was 25, deciding to take life more seriously.  He'd have no chance. I played mainly twink warriors and gemmers. He'd die if I were a warrior, I'd get away if gemmer. (If you kill someone inside Allanak with magick, even after being attacked with lethal intent, you most probably get executed based on whose pet you are. Always run.) |
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. If what your heart desires is an echo chamber, where everyone agrees with everything you say, it's your choice. 
