dunebum
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Post by dunebum on Sept 24, 2017 17:42:36 GMT -5
Will this bring back players longing for the times of old?
Does it mean that staff is listening and wants to give the players what they want?
It seems to me that things are changing in the background for the better.
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Post by lechuck on Sept 25, 2017 6:44:19 GMT -5
If my house burned down, I wouldn't move back into it just because you put a delicious pizza in the rubble.
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jenki
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Post by jenki on Sept 25, 2017 16:37:08 GMT -5
Will he last amidst the current climate among staff?
Will he lose his shit and tell senior staff to fuck off?
Will a staff member doing things in an "older" way make other staff members jealous or make them look bad in comparison, and will they push him out as a result?
Whatever happens it'll be interesting. Too bad the games been hobbled to the point I have other things I'd rather do. Once upon a time it was fun to be involved with Shall I game, hopefully, for those still playing, it is still so. Maybe other staff can learn a few things.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 13:26:11 GMT -5
Y’all just spent a lot of time trash-talking his IRL buddy Noted Liar Nergal, till nothing less than a rage quit occured, so, at least in relation to this board, I don’t think it will help out anyone’s case.
Hopefully he’ll be able to make it more fun for those who aren’t completely alienated already.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 16:11:31 GMT -5
And to add:
Looonsh will undoubtedly help make things fun for those still involved.
But over the last, what, two years... there have been, in the midst of things that NEEDED to be said, bouts of ugliness that simply won’t disappear because X or Y assumes a position of authority. Because, y’know, at this juncture, regardless of who is on the staff side of things, well... either themselves or people they have been friends with for a decade or more have been subjected to the turmoil left in - and let’s be real, here - the wake of Nyr.
I remember griping to Looonsh (when he wasn’t staff at the time) about Nyr before, and, well, he didn’t really agree wholeheartedly with me. Which is okay.
At any rate, at least in terms of contemporary staff members, Looonsh was the last the really step up and make the game fun for me.
In fact, when he left Kadius as staff while I was playing Sharlo, only to be replaced by Nyr, well... that’s when the game started sucking for me.
Within a month of Looonsh leaving, Nyr turned the most active clan in Tuluk into a literal graveyard bereft of players. It only took a month.
I have to wonder what course the game would have taken if Looonsh had been the one who initially rose to a position of authority instead of Nyr.
And before you start, yeah, I am aware that he’s not perfect. None of us are. But no other staff member in contemporary times made the game as fun for me as Looonsh did.
Really, my only hope is that there will be players who find the fun in what Looonsh does like I did at one point. Who won’t let their view of what happens be spoiled by OOC bullshit or the frequently petty politics of a text based game.
I wish, too, that I could be one of those players, but, even if I had a somewhat stable life and had not lived like a fucking animalistic savage in the middle the mountains for half a decade, now, I would still be reluctant to give it a shot... mainly because I feel like I have too addictive of a personality to dive into ArmageddonMUD when I should, instead, focus on my mental health and well-being.
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Post by grumble on Sept 27, 2017 2:42:40 GMT -5
I fucking love you Kronibas, but, Nyr was, let;s face it, bad and a barrier for entry like, well no one else...
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Post by my2sids on Oct 8, 2017 13:24:57 GMT -5
Big fan of the Loonsh return. Too bad I'm not playing in his clans.
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Post by yoashi on Oct 9, 2017 8:29:09 GMT -5
He's still going to get hamstrung by an Admin that doesn't care about the game, their position, or the players. Shal is best when he can actually be a Storyteller/Dungeon Master for people, but the ones who run the game these days do not want plots run that could shift the sands in their sandbox. Heaven Forbid he runs an undead campaign and people... I don't know... ENJOY it and try to play alongside it, but elitist favored players get their immersion ruined because reasons.
The game used to be DnD in a Dune-like universe, with staff who wanted to run cool little modules for players. It is now a HarshLife Sim tied up in Bureaucracy.
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Post by sirra on Oct 9, 2017 17:34:42 GMT -5
I had a lot of fun with Shaloonsh, the couple times I managed to be in one of his clans. He mostly did Desert Elf stuff if I recall.
That said. The game will remain a shithole, and current staff and their staff alts/friend will undoubtedly monopolize Shal's time. Because he's a competent storyteller, and those are so rare.
The only way for the game to really improve would to jettison all current headstaff, and especially Nessalin. That's just not gonna ever happen.
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dunebum
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Post by dunebum on Oct 10, 2017 17:15:28 GMT -5
Was Nessalin not around last time Shal was running plots, or am I missing something?
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Post by sirra on Oct 10, 2017 17:37:16 GMT -5
Was Nessalin not around last time Shal was running plots, or am I missing something? I was merely reiterating the impossibility of any long-term positive change while Nessalin is still involved. If you enjoy the game the way it is now, or for whatever reason, enjoy accommodating the power trips of cunts, then having Shal around is better than not having him around. But he's basically just a decent, normal-ish guy who knows how to run a plot, like an above average dungeon master. He's in no way a decision maker. But you'll definitely win the sweepstakes if you get his clan. Because it's nice having a normalish dungeon master type dude handling your shit, then some neckbeard cunt or cat lady whose sole reason for staying invested in the game is to receive emotional support. What crippled Armageddon wasn't that the staff were bad writers, or even bad staffers. Though many of them were and are (but by no means all of them. Some were really great and very creative people). What crippled Armageddon was that a majority of the decision makers clique were simply bad people. The kind of people who would not find themselves a decision maker in any other organization on earth, but who crop up occasionally in online communities. They usually get to a position of leadership or responsibility simply owing to longevity. Or for example, being the only one who can code (even shittily) or pay for hosting. Nyr was something of a special case, but one which happens more often in RL. He had drive and followthrough and a genuine inspiration to be involved in the game (at first. Always remember, Nyr started out as a player too), but he just had horrible ideas and was pretentious.
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Post by OT on Oct 10, 2017 19:00:48 GMT -5
What crippled Armageddon wasn't that the staff were bad writers, or even bad staffers. Though many of them were and are (but by no means all of them. Some were really great and very creative people). What crippled Armageddon was that a majority of the decision makers clique were simply bad people. The kind of people who would not find themselves a decision maker in any other organization on earth, but who crop up occasionally in online communities. They usually get to a position of leadership or responsibility simply owing to longevity. Or for example, being the only one who can code (even shittily) or pay for hosting. Nyr was something of a special case, but one which happens more often in RL. He had drive and followthrough and a genuine inspiration to be involved in the game (at first. Always remember, Nyr started out as a player too), but he just had horrible ideas and was pretentious. There's a tendency for toxic people to find their way into leadership positions because people with a dose of narcissism in their personality are more driven to obtain those positions. They're the worst candidates for it, but they're the ones who want it the most so they tend to get there. That's essentially what happened to Armageddon. Nessalin himself has pretty much always been there, but a game can cope with one such individual. It's when several of them come together that things turn to shit. Speaking of which, did Nerg stay gone? I'm not going to be an armchair psychologist and diagnose these people with textbook NPD, but it's pretty obvious when somebody has narcissistic tendencies, and Armageddon has had the ill fortune to have several of these on staff in the same generation. That's pretty much the gist of it, and is about the same thing you said. MUDs are pretty fragile constructs, and this is one of the main things that can kill an otherwise healthy MUD. Straight-up bad people got behind the wheel and ruined it for everyone else. I've seen so many cases of such people manipulating their way into the inner workings of a MUD and killing it by being so destructively selfish that players just couldn't enjoy the game any longer. Much the same happened with the latest iteration of Shadows of Isildur, though not exclusively from the staff side. On that occasion, the worst offenders were players who had too much influence over certain staff members. Anyway, Arm's not gonna be saved by one storyteller rejoining staff. Besides, the player behind the Shalooonsh mask is kind of an asshole who has been one of the GDB's more prolific bullies throughout the years. Most of his goodwill comes from his few months of just-joined-staff enthusiasm, after which he quit. He undeniably did well during that time, but he's not some kind of savior. Shalooonsh's reputation is propped up by the fact that he made an effort during a time when almost nobody else did.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 19:11:50 GMT -5
The issue, is the fact you get 8 karma the moment you get on staff. So you get these people who get on staff, just to do the bare minimum and read reports, then go and play their staff alt with their new 8 karma.
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Post by grumble on Oct 11, 2017 0:00:54 GMT -5
Ask not what your MUD can do for you, ask what you can do for your MUD.
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