lurker
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Post by lurker on Aug 30, 2017 14:26:07 GMT -5
So i went back to play like a bunch of other older timers. And I've noticed something strikingly different about the PC's. A VERY large portion of the pcs are currently all female, all lesbian, and almost always fucking.
Add to it the quality of the emotes, rp, not using real life slang, and other finer points of mudding have all slid down hill hard. I was playing for a few months, but haven't logged back in in like a week, cause it's just... Sad. Might as well just call it "Let's Have Sex in the Desert"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 15:24:24 GMT -5
I think that the playerbase is starkly divided by interest type right now due primarily to two or three pc groups starting or enforcing trends. If you dont like the rp where you are playing, try another city/village or rp stage. I'm pretty confident you will find different rp.
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jenki
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Post by jenki on Aug 30, 2017 17:54:03 GMT -5
YES! YES! YES! It's the perfect time to roll up this Sailor Moon character I've been sitting on. I'll be the silken haired doe eyed lass in the atrium. They'll have to open up noble houses to deal with all of us. I can't wait for all the sex RP!
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Post by lyse on Aug 30, 2017 20:16:24 GMT -5
I haven't noticed a bunch of lesbian characters, well no more than usual. I have noticed people seem to be more willing to rp with strangers, which is something that I missed when I came back a few years ago. There's a lot less speed walking and more interaction, which is a good thing.
I think signifyinmonkey is right, you might be in the wrong place for the type of rp you're looking for.The funny thing about Armageddon is how inconsistent the rp is. One character you might be in a really good place and everything clicks and you want to log in all the time. The next character, you might be surrounded by utter shitheads both ic and ooc and youre thinking to yourself "Why am I doing this to myself?"
I've bagged on the rp quality for a while now, to me it seems to be improving. I can't think of an eye twitching experience from another character over a couple characters now. Even "newbies" seem to be holding their own.
But a clique of lesbians? Ehhhh...can't say I'm surprised, but I haven't run into them. There's always going to be mudsexxors on Armageddon, I think that was worse a while back too.
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Post by live2win on Sept 7, 2017 20:16:41 GMT -5
The alternatives to Allanak/rinth (which is basically one in the same for many characters these days) are kinda hit and miss in terms of activity. Nothing against mudsexxors but I have encountered rooms full of all female PC and almost all lesbians.
It isn't that you are playing in the wrong place, its that the quality of roleplaying has gone down significantly everywhere. What often irks me is when my plain ugly male character gets ignored by these types of characters, even if its the most regular non-sexual RP.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 10:08:41 GMT -5
The alternatives to Allanak/rinth (which is basically one in the same for many characters these days) are kinda hit and miss in terms of activity. Nothing against mudsexxors but I have encountered rooms full of all female PC and almost all lesbians. It isn't that you are playing in the wrong place, its that the quality of roleplaying has gone down significantly everywhere. What often irks me is when my plain ugly male character gets ignored by these types of characters, even if its the most regular non-sexual RP. What constitutes quality roleplay?
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Post by lyse on Sept 8, 2017 12:04:13 GMT -5
The way I see it, one important thing, this forum and the GDB have always been gun shy about is RP. This has always kind of struck me as strange because it's a ROLEPLAYING game. I get that on a game like Arm what constitutes "quality" RP is going to vary from person to person, but if you never have that discussion as heated as it might become talking about it might help you see it's not as bad as you thought.
That being said, I'm not a Xena type player but I'll tell you what I think is going on. Arm is a game that's going to attract different kinds of players. It does a lot of things right that makes people comeback repeatedly; despite the kind of cult like thing it has going on. It does just enough to attract people with different motivations to play to log on. There was a time where you'd find a little bit of everything no matter where you went. I do think a large concentration of any player type in one place, the game gets stale fast. You need a variety of types for a game to be healthy. I don't subscribe to Bartle's archetypes (I think it's outdated) but player types need to be taken into consideration.
I'm digressing. Xena types! Arm is really two games: it's the bro game and it's a Lords and Ladies game. The funny thing is they don't play well together and there are very few people that fall in between like there used to be, so players have become even more polarized. This is a very important hurdle for Arm to overcome or the churn will continue. Arm's staff has to figure out how to get them to play well together again and closing Tuluk and focusing everything on 'nak wasn't the answer.
Warning!!!! Trigger Alert!!!! Deep down you know I'm right though.
The "bro" game is mainly players that make repeat characters and cycle the Byn, Kurac, AoD, indies, dwarves....you get the idea. More of the combat oriented clans draw them. They might do other roles, but those clans are their mainstays. Rp tends to lean toward "frat boy": tough guys, edge-lords, lovable rogues, etc. One thing they all have in common there's going to be something coded they're going to be really good at. Fun to them tends to be the top dog in the sparring ring, having the best equipment, being crude, being humorous, being "dark". Rp habits include setting up their client to go from nak to Luirs, while they play their other game on Steam, complete with canned emotes so staff won't get suspicious. Some tend to stay away from players that are emoting a whole sentence because quite frankly, it tends to show how little they're actually putting into it. When staff does animate for them they tend not to notice or just KILL the thing before any kind of plot can develop. They're ok with logging on to kill the tembo, every day and in extreme cases every hour is legit because that's the only way they can play the character they envisioned. This isn't necessarily a male or female thing, I think GDB Lizzie has a pretty Bro bent.
Xena! I'm getting to it!
Then there's the Lord and Lady game. The Lord and Lady characters tend to end up playing merchants, crafters, aides, prostitutes...you know players that don't really do anything but can "make things happen". They tend to lock themselves away and play with each other, because they're afraid if they let a bro play with them they're going to do something crazy like piss in the corner during their dinner party or quote Rick and Morty, which would totally ruin their immersion! These are the writers of the game's lore, the carefully played out scenes that go down like they're supposed to and end up in the Arm fan fiction...I mean player submission threads on the gdb. They usually wear color coordinated outfits, all custom and have a description that will scroll your screen and that's before you get to what they're wearing. Their plots tend to be cheesy, but if you don't go along with them, you're out! If you're not dumb enough to go along with them or ask hard hitting questions or follow what the vaguely written docs say (their interpretation anyway) expect a player complaint to be filed against you to boot. Staff tend to like them and take up most of their attention, hell some of them ARE staff so of course their plots get done.
Xena rp tends to be bros that are "branching" out their Rp. But because they're a bro....they ain't no fagget....so the character only has sex with other female characters....who are most likely played by males too....you know what? Don't try to think about it too hard.
If you're playing in Allanak, you're going to get the largest concentration of bros and lords and ladies. The players that fall in between the two tend NOT to play there. Red storm and Luirs are still viable....or viseversa it never hurts to pick up and go somewhere else, just try to stay a little while because the PB tends to cycle characters and locations very fast. Once the key Xena dies or stores...the group tends to follow.
(This wasn't a response to signifyingmonkey)
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Sept 11, 2017 17:42:32 GMT -5
I miss the good old days of trying to just kill everyone. It was so much simpler back then.
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Post by jkarr on Sept 12, 2017 20:52:31 GMT -5
I miss the good old days of trying to just kill everyone. It was so much simpler back then. supposedly now they need a book report after every planned kill and they want ur rough draft turned in before u do it too
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Post by pinkerdlu on Sept 12, 2017 21:57:19 GMT -5
Agreed, good post, except I've never seen it as THAT black and white. I definitely used to be a bro, but now I find myself almost... squarely in the middle.
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Post by sirra on Sept 13, 2017 0:59:43 GMT -5
If you're seeing more Sailor Moon characters, it might be because the change they made to magic pretty much ensured that anyone with a few karma is a Sailor Moon character.
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Post by sirra on Sept 13, 2017 1:11:58 GMT -5
<snip> bros and edge lords, lords and ladies, etc Armageddon has always been an interesting game, in that staff have always done their very best to direct people to play like it was 'Lords and Ladies' with skill and combat code not meaning anything - but at the same time, they've been extremely quick to bring down the hammer on people and slaughter them with some NPC bandit cranked up to 11. In all my time at Armageddon, I saw that most 'code oriented' people actually became worse and more jaded RPers, the longer they went on. Provided they didn't just quit, they usually took two routes forward: 1) They focused on playing mostly only magickers, or apping roles like nobles or templars, where they had a great deal of power without having to worry about their coded skills. The vast majority played gickers. It's EXTREMELY easy to max out a gicker. You can max out a gicker, and then pretend you're the best RPer ever sitting around a tavern all day. Cause it only takes like 3-5 days of playing time, and that's if you're taking it slow. I've maxed out a dwarf ruk in like 2 days. It's garbage. Under the old system anyways. Most everyone's a hybrid now. 2) The other type of player, who unfortunately for them, prefers Rangers, Warriors and Assassins...are just as jaded and disillusioned, but it fuels them to try and be stronger, harder to kill, etc. Furthermore, they know that the only way they'll ever be allowed to affect the world around them, is through their own coded skills. It's not much - but it's literally the only thing that gives staff or the pampered class, even the slightest reason to respect them. And it works. No matter how horrible a twink you are, if you can make it to the 'elite of the elite' stage, at one time, you were guaranteed a place at the table. And some of those twinks became great RPers, once they had finally carved their niche. But if they had never mastered polearms, you can bet they would've been told to fuck right off, rather than be let in on the lords and ladies plots. The people that caused the most trouble on the game, as I saw it, were those that mudsexed their way up to being tuluki templars, psionicists, sorcs or whirans, and then let the novelty of having actual coded power go to their head. I exempt Allanaki templars from this, as they were actually pretty weak code wise, and hilarious. But just about every Tuluki templar there ever was and go get fucked, absent like two Jihaen guys.
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Post by ibusoe on Sept 13, 2017 15:42:08 GMT -5
I think Lyse analysis was terrific. We need more articles like this. Warning!!!! Trigger Alert!!!! Deep down you know I'm right though. The "bro" game is mainly players that make repeat characters and cycle the Byn, Kurac, AoD, indies, dwarves....you get the idea. More of the combat oriented clans draw them. They might do other roles, but those clans are their mainstays. Rp tends to lean toward "frat boy": tough guys, edge-lords, lovable rogues, etc. One thing they all have in common there's going to be something coded they're going to be really good at. Fun to them tends to be the top dog in the sparring ring, having the best equipment, being crude, being humorous, being "dark". Rp habits include setting up their client to go from nak to Luirs, while they play their other game on Steam, complete with canned emotes so staff won't get suspicious. Some tend to stay away from players that are emoting a whole sentence because quite frankly, it tends to show how little they're actually putting into it. When staff does animate for them they tend not to notice or just KILL the thing before any kind of plot can develop. They're ok with logging on to kill the tembo, every day and in extreme cases every hour is legit because that's the only way they can play the character they envisioned. This isn't necessarily a male or female thing, I think GDB Lizzie has a pretty Bro bent. I feel the need to apologize and mansplain to my fellow players. Broplayer checking in. I've wanted to do more in terms of versatility but I've been painted into a corner where only bro roles are open to me. When I try to play "Lord and Ladies" characters, either my concept is too artsy for what staff have in mind, or they want me to sit at the bottom of a pyramid for years and years. They are very critical of behavior - let's not say role-play, for role-play is almost never the problem - at this level. That makes it a drag and makes it feel like work. I like that the game sometimes involves hard work, but it stops being fun when it actually feels like work. Bro roles are safe. I've subconsciously accepted that bro roles where the highest level where staff would let me shine, and that most staffers tend to ignore Grizzled Obsidian Miner #42.
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