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Jeshin
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6 Questions & You Mar 6, 2017 19:38:45 GMT -5

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Post by Jeshin on Mar 6, 2017 19:38:45 GMT -5

Hey,

I know the community leans one way, but I am actually curious how close the lot of you will get on these. If you answer it, thanks. If you don't, oh well.

Like these are fairly simple yes or no personal stance questions.

1. Can/Should players be allowed to voice complaints, suggestions, and support?

2. Can/Should players ignore/break rules for a game on an off-site community?

3. Can/Should staff be allowed to ignore or entertain player opinions as their preference dictates?

4. Can/Should staff monitor an off-site community that is objectively linked to their game?

5. Can/Should staff punish players that violate the rules of their game on an off-site community?

6. Can/Should staff guess/deduce the identities of players on off-site communities without any ability to verify they are correct and punish them?

I get the impression that if you ran down the list and answered Yes or No with a single sentence clarification that you'd find the majority of people agree. I do not think Orpheus or Vampirecatgirl or Ateraan or even Quixadhal would say players cannot/should not be allowed to voice their opinions somewhere. They may say they're unsympathetic to their opinions or disagree with their opinions or think their negative opinions are entitled, but to say they cannot/should not voice their opinions would be a pretty strict stance.

It's kind of the old... You can not like what I have to say and ignore me, just don't tell me I'm wrong to express my opinion. If anyone is willing to run down that 5 point list and just punch in Yes/No and a 1 sentence clarification, it'd be interesting to see how closely people in the thread lineup... Or don't line up, maybe I'm crazy.

For me:

1 - Yes

2 - Yes. If they are willing to accept the consequences for violating the rules.

3 - Yes. Ignore or entertain it's their choice.

4 - Yes

5 - Yes. If they broke a rule and the staff want to enforce it off their official website/game

6 - No. Guessing identities online is fraught with danger without confirmation you're right it's really silly to try.

Copied over from www.mudconnect.com/SMF/index.php?topic=80691.msg211820#msg211820

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6 Questions & You Mar 6, 2017 20:02:41 GMT -5

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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 20:02:41 GMT -5

Hmm can/should are very different!

1. Absolutely.
2. Hate to say depends but it depends on the rule. Also, whether or not it's necessary to level the playing field for player's who don't get 'in crowd' intel so to speak.
3. If staff are going to take the burden of having all significant conversations be 1 on 1 instead of taking place in the general community, then this would be a consequential burden imo. It's why if I ever make a MUD (I probably won't, but hypothetically eh?) I'd have pretty much everything 100% player driven and just take what the leading consensus is on anything. I realize they're volunteers who aren't getting paid to hear someone cry or yell at them on the phone for an hour, but also there is no phone and they get the benefit of being able to talk directly instead of following beraucratic bullshit (which they should take advantage of more). That doesn't mean you can't have some sort of rules in place for not tolerating certain sorts of conversation (say the staff member is being called a cunt repeatedly by the player), only willing to discuss a certain topic so much, etc. etc.
4. I would to some degree.
5. Yes. Don't make rules that most players are expected to break so that you can flex it and point to the rule when you're punishing a player for another reason though.
6. No. Pretty much what Joe said.

Last Edit: Mar 6, 2017 20:04:17 GMT -5 by Deleted

BitterFlashback
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6 Questions & You Mar 7, 2017 20:56:41 GMT -5 nullentropy likes this

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Post by BitterFlashback on Mar 7, 2017 20:56:41 GMT -5

Mar 6, 2017 19:38:45 GMT -5 Jeshin said:

1. Can/Should players be allowed to voice complaints, suggestions, and support?

Yes, though I would go a step further and say players shouldn't be allowed to answer or criticize the complaints of other players.

Mar 6, 2017 19:38:45 GMT -5 Jeshin said:

2. Can/Should players ignore/break rules for a game on an off-site community?

Obviously they can, but they should know that they are breaking rules at their own risk. If the staff are a bunch of tyrannical shitheads, they do so at the risk of their spouses as well.

Mar 6, 2017 19:38:45 GMT -5 Jeshin said:

3. Can/Should staff be allowed to ignore or entertain player opinions as their preference dictates?

Yes, but again, at the staffs' own risk.

Mar 6, 2017 19:38:45 GMT -5 Jeshin said:

4. Can/Should staff monitor an off-site community that is objectively linked to their game?

This depends on the rules even more than #2 did, but there are a lot of positive reasons for voting "yes as well, such as getting unvarnished feedback they may not get on a forum they control.

Mar 6, 2017 19:38:45 GMT -5 Jeshin said:

5. Can/Should staff punish players that violate the rules of their game on an off-site community?

I cannot answer this. It depends on the rules.

Mar 6, 2017 19:38:45 GMT -5 Jeshin said:

6. Can/Should staff guess/deduce the identities of players on off-site communities without any ability to verify they are correct and punish them?

No, but I'm assuming you mean should people be punished when the staff cannot make a certain deduction, rather than claiming no deduction could ever be certain.

So my opinion on the whole thing may come as some surprise, but I do not view separate boards as meaning some rules don't apply. I've posted secret IC stuff and, were the Armageddon MUD staff to connect me here with accounts I had over there, it would be entirely reasonable of them to apply the same consequences for breaking secrecy to me as they would on the GDB. It'd be irrational to expect otherwise unless they had an exception to the rules for that kind of thing. On the other hand, if I never posted secret things, applying the consequences to breaching secrecy to me for being on a forum where other people did it would be indefensibly stupid of them. It would also be immoral.

The internet is a very big place with a lot of very small circles on it. The MUD community is one such very small circle. What you do leaves lasting impressions. If you plan to have rules for your fraction of the MUD community, they'd better be good ones, and you'd best be consistent, predictable, and fair. The price of your failures will outlast you. Arm's current staff is paying for 20 years of increasingly awful mistakes. It will take years of good, public moves to change their reputation.

Hater. Gonna hate.

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What I'm arguing is that there's not any valid reason to suddenly be worried that every single person in game is going to be killing you with a rageboner made of magick. People had perfectly good rageboners without magick

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