jjhardy
Displaced Tuluki
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Post by jjhardy on Jun 6, 2013 15:39:05 GMT -5
What I love above all else is the APM's, the live ones, here you have/had a magnificent game built around super secrecy and the like, where RP is above all and sharing on in-game info a big no-no.
Enter the APM at these different cons, you have people who openly party and sleep and who knows what else with each other, you think secrets stop there? They exchange numbers and what not, they know who plays what character and what not and flaunt it on the board, do they get banned, do they get stopped from talking? NO!!!! How amazing is this, sound off please.
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delerak
GDB Superstar
PK'ed by jcarter
"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on Jun 6, 2013 17:36:34 GMT -5
Nothing amazing about it. I've always felt that their efforts to 'punish' players were misguided. You can't really punish anybody because anybody with a shred of networking knowledge can easily multiplay. I've made this point but you can't argue with hypocrites as you have labeled them. Most people are hypocrites, and I am probably a hypocrite sometimes. Anyway back on topic, yes the APMs are ridiculous, they are also real fun. It's unfortunate when people are two-faced though. In reality the majority of these sad people behind the keyboards are no more than lonely degenerates. Not all of course but most and it makes me laugh from time to time
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tarrag
staff puppet account
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Post by tarrag on Jun 7, 2013 11:04:11 GMT -5
I think one of the reasons people share stories at APMs is that one does not feel you are ruining the game for somebody by doing so.
One of the most enjoyable events in arm is discovering that new thing, finding out who is in that cave, that new reach that nobody else knows.
When you post it online it ruined it for somebody.
If you tell Nyr a story it is quite different than telling a newbie.
Nyr probably didnt have anything ruined by your story, the newbie probably did.
Now when that newbie branches HELLFIRE OF DEATH AND DESTRUCTION he wont be finishing in his pants over his insanely incredible achievement, he has only gone where others have gone before and he was expecting it anyway.
The other half of it is IC knowledge that can ruin things. Things are not discussed at APMS of recent events usually and there is SOME self censoring of information in there.
I have friends that play arm that I would not mind telling them I had an assasination plot on their lives because I know they would not use that knowledge IC (Okay I have one friend I would trust that much, he has 8 karma btw) And I have a friend that I would not tell if I was moving more than 20 obsidian on my person through the market in allanak, because I would suspect him coming to assasinate me for it. (Just to fill curiosities he has 3 karma, really fun player but not particuarly trustworthy)
The point of with holding information is to keep the abuse of knowledge down, and to keep things like magick mystical and fun. At least when I was in the know about ten years ago that was the impression I got.
Perhaps things have changed, but I doubt it.
PS I understand that the object of this board is to disseminate knowledge, and there are things that I do not mind sharing with people on this board.
But, there are some things I feel would ruin a moment if it was shared here.
(When dying is a good chunk of the fun, even knowing what a sorcerer is capable of can ruin the fun of a good death, not to mention poison your IC/OOC reactions.)
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Post by jcarter on Jun 7, 2013 12:53:55 GMT -5
tarrag you bring up some valid points and I understand where you're coming from and agree with some of them.
What happens at APMs doesn't just stay at APMs. Like just about every online game in existence, Arm has cliques. These people pay money to fly out and hang out with each other in real life, and iirc when Biscuits/OnlyHeStandsThere got married a ton of Armers came out.
Can anyone prove that there's not information being shared between these people who spend thousands of dollars hanging out with each other? No, just like nobody can prove that married couples who play Arm probably share information with one another. Does it likely happen? Absolutely. And just like I can't prove any of that happens, you can't prove that it doesn't either.
What seems silly though is the amount of effort that staff have put in towards punishing players who try to use this site. As far as I can tell little to no actual IC information has been spilled; what has been is years old or incredibly vague ("Soandso is a tuff warrior"). The mainstay of actual information is something that only newbies would find useful: skill lists, branching lists, easier ways to grind, and so on. Unfortunately, certain players have been punished for putting out "IC sensitive" information such as some of the people involved in making the bestiary that's posted here. This sensitive information involves relative difficulty, long descriptions, special attacks, and what they give when skinned...but shouldn't most of that information be public in the first place? Is it a mystery that bahamets are tough and that skinning them will get you meat and shell? ICly it shouldn't be at all, of course you can get a giant shell from a giant turtle. But as players we don't know that because this game is and written by dozens of people over dozens of years with no (visibly) cohesive direction or guidelines.
Most of this information should be public in the first place or not an issue at all; why do I need a 'long piece of bone' to make a toothpick and why can't I use a 'sliver of bone' or 'short piece of bone'? Because the codebase is god awful and the staff have decided they don't want to actively fix it. The hardest part of the game is wrapping your mind about how pedantic the aging codebase is and trying to understand it. As a newbie that's tough, and I don't see any reason why players should have to roleplay as an idiot or inexperienced person for the first two years they play Armageddon in order to even be able to function independently or be at least competitive to other players.
In the end, the game is an Old Boys Club composed of social misfits longing for friendship and the feeling of achievement. This site disturbs a decent number of them for reasons that I can only speculate as they feel worried their game experience will be "ruined" if new players learn things in a fraction of the time that it took them. What jjhardy and others are upset about are that these people will share bugs in the game with each other and nothing will happen of it but god forbid someone post on this board that mekillots are dangerous. I find it silly that people get so bent out of shape over their escapist fantasy entertainment, and I think that the time that the administration of Armageddon MUD has spent on here could be better used by actively improving many of the flawed systems that it has but they disagree and think that monitoring other forums is a good use of their leisure time. That should tell you plenty about what kind of people run Arm.
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blargle
Clueless newb
Beast Master
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Post by blargle on Jun 7, 2013 14:08:51 GMT -5
Whoa really? I had no idea. I only added stuff I remembered from years and years ago, because well that is all that I really remembered. I've since ran into newer stuff in game but I decided to wait until after I played a couple of characters in between and in different places before posting info about them because just in case :tinfoil hat:. I was not aware that anyone actually did get into some shit because of that thread.
Really sucks if so, especially since this site is wholly detached from the official site, it seems a bit petty to punish people for things they do here amongst people who are consenting to read spoilers. It is one thing to spoil a newbie on the official site or in game, but getting uppity over people knowingly spoiling each other on a fan site? Really.
Sort of feel a little shitty that people were fucked with over a thread I started. It does not put the dudes who run Armageddon in a good light to be so power trippy and petty. Shit most if not all of the bestiary stuff should already be public knowledge on the official page.
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Post by jcarter on Jun 7, 2013 14:42:11 GMT -5
Whoa really? I had no idea. I only added stuff I remembered from years and years ago, because well that is all that I really remembered. I've since ran into newer stuff in game but I decided to wait until after I played a couple of characters in between and in different places before posting info about them because just in case :tinfoil hat:. I was not aware that anyone actually did get into some shit because of that thread. Really sucks if so, especially since this site is wholly detached from the official site, it seems a bit petty to punish people for things they do here amongst people who are consenting to read spoilers. It is one thing to spoil a newbie on the official site or in game, but getting uppity over people knowingly spoiling each other on a fan site? Really. Sort of feel a little shitty that people were fucked with over a thread I started. It does not put the dudes who run Armageddon in a good light to be so power trippy and petty. Shit most if not all of the bestiary stuff should already be public knowledge on the official page. Yes; I've gotten PMs from more than one person regarding it and getting karma reduction.
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delerak
GDB Superstar
PK'ed by jcarter
"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on Jun 10, 2013 5:17:48 GMT -5
I remember I got banned a long time ago for starting a similar board as this. Although I named it Armageddon Cheaters Discussion Board. Haha. I also didn't have the foresight to think the imms would find it and see my name on it. Of course a lot of info was shared but nothing too crazy. I learned a lot from moontug on the board, I really miss that guy he really told it like it was.
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delerak
GDB Superstar
PK'ed by jcarter
"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on Jun 10, 2013 5:19:48 GMT -5
I've said this many times before if you think this is bad you should see my trillian logs from days past. I have tons of logs of the old days swapping info with all manner of high-karma players from today I should post those but that would be pretty fucked up.
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Post by lulz on Jun 10, 2013 23:33:06 GMT -5
Most of the great players have been...
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)
...NYR'D.
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jjhardy
Displaced Tuluki
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Post by jjhardy on Jun 13, 2013 12:01:50 GMT -5
Post it Delarak
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Post by lulz on Jun 13, 2013 21:42:33 GMT -5
Post what?
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Please don't tell me Delerak has pics of Nyr's dick when he showed it to Ourla.
Please spaghetti monster, please, just no.
No.
NO.
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