Holy gick. Four gick guilds = subguilds, 3 gick guilds gone

If the changes are supposed to be IC then it's another unprecedented ceiling placed on player roles that had been fine for 20+

theyre saying that if ur char responds to anything it better be because there is something legitimately ic that is causing their response, rather than ur sudden ooc awareness of reduction of magicker powers. since full blown elementalists havent been removed from the gw (just from player options), and the pc mage population is a laughably small fraction of the gw mage populace, it follows that there may not be any ic 'change' for ur char to respond to since all thats being altered is pcs capacity to max out shit that they wouldnt have known was taken away or reduced in the 1st place

tldr theyre basicly saying dont conflate ooc changes with shit that isnt ic apparent

Oh, I know a way to make Drovians and mindbenders back off, just burn their eyes out with frequent horrific acts of mudsex. Sooner or later they'll just start watching the Gaj and lying about what you're doing.

You've got it backwards. Now mundanes have magickal skills to make themselves better; those elementalists are gone. What's gone with them are the many limitations elementalists had that made them easy targets if they ran around abusing their powers, because mana is a far more limited resource than stamina.

There are no elementalists, and even if there were, the main checks that kept elementalists in line was having extremely limited non-magickal skills that greatly reduced the number of ways they could survive in the game even if they don't try to stay hidden.

This strawman argument has nothing to do with what anyone has been saying to you. Nobody has claimed to hate a Krathi-Warrior combo because they'll become famous for how awesome they are.

The shift in power will be in the number of magick-fueled pk machines. The only characters that will probably live longer are indy magickers, which is just going to further encourage the staff to nerf magick.

We will see an increased variety in minmax builds of people playing what amount to mundanes with the power to buff themselves. Gone is any semblance of elementalist culture from the game. Oh, but there will be more varieties of minmaxing, so more is better! Hooray!

Well thanks, Hillary, and let me remind you cherry-picking which arguments you want to laugh off before you endlessly repeat defeated points has become par for the course with you.

Mages as outcasts was always a joke. Most tribes allow mages, you can be gemmed in Allanak, you can effortlessly be rogue in Red Storm and the Luir's region, and mages of course rule the wilderness. The only thing they definitely can't do is join the militia because a templar would find out, and then they'll have some difficulty joining Allanak-bound clans like the Byn and GMHs because they'll be likely to eventually have to interact with someone who has identify.

Even in the latter case, it's not that much of a rarity to find rogue mages in these clans, especially the Byn where they started to go in order to raise the combat skills gained from extended subguilds before either taking the gem or just going forth into the world. The only clan that's genuinely off-limits to magickers is the militia, you'd never get away with that. Anywhere else, it's either legal to be a mage or it's entirely possible to succesfully be rogue.

You better keep logging in, because otherwise Nergal is going to snoop up your account record and then use your inactivity as an excuse to disregard your worries and opposing sentiments.

Count on it. And once it becomes clear that this is the case, players looking for competent individuals will start looking for "people graced by the elements" as these are the go-to experts, and mundanes will be distinctly second-rate characters.


In the interest of theorycrafting, I've looked at each subguild and tried to determine where the most useful spells of each element will go. It might be pertinent to future min-maxing, which we know will happen. There are more spells than this, it's not intended to be an exhaustive list, we just have no way of knowing where some of them go as they don't match any of the subguild themes. I'm guessing each guild gets like half a dozen spells, but these feel like safe predictions.


2 karma:


Rukkian aspect of protection.
Armor
Stoneskin
Possibly Burrow
Possibly Wall of Sand if it isn't a creation spell

Rukkian aspect of creation.
I don't know what this could be except for shit like Sand Jambiya
and Create Food. Seems useless, who's gonna take this?

Rukkian aspect of empowerment.
Strength
Fury
Godspeed

Vivaduan aspect of healing.
Heal
Cure Poison
??

Vivaduan aspect of corruption.
Poison
Health Drain
Intoxication

Vivaduan aspect of creation.
See above.


Where the fuck will Sanctuary and Invulnerability go, though?
This is the big WTF because these are the best Vivaduan spells
and they don't seem to fit into any of the categories. Same
with Sleep and Earthquake for Rukkians. Surely these are not
given to the 1-karma 'touched' subguilds?


3 karma:
Fire touched.
Wind touched.

I frankly have no clue what these 'touched' guilds are about.
Presumably they just get all the trash spells like Identify,
Breathe Water and Sand Statue. Since they take less karma
than the original guilds did, I doubt they get the juicy ones.


4 karma:

Krathi aspect of guile.
Detect Magic
Dispel Magic
Empower

Whiran aspect of tempest.
Hands of Wind
Wind Fist
Wall of Wind
Shield of Wind


5 karma:

Kinda difficult to say where the Krathi spells will go when they're
called aspects of 'agony' and 'devastation.' Either one could get
any given damage spell. Maybe agony the kind of indirect damage
spells? Who knows.

Krathi aspect of agony.
(kinda guesswork here)
Wall of Fire
Fire Armor
Immolate

Whiran aspect of travel.
Teleport
Relocate
Transference
Fly


6 karma

Whiran aspect of illusion.
Invisibility
Detect Invisible
Messenger
Stalker

Krathi aspect of devastation.
Fireball
Fire Seed
Demonfire
Rain of Fire



As such, the most broken class combos will be the following:

Assassin + Rukkian Empowerment
Pretty self-explanatory. The Strength spell alone will turn an assassin into a guaranteed OHK monster of completely unprecedented proportions. A human will hit like a mul without having to live under the severe perils and restrictions that muls have to suffer. An assassin with AI+++ strength is completely, outrageously broken.

Assassin + Krathi Guile
For much the same reason as the Rukkian buffs, empowered items will turn an assassin into a beast, although it'll be a little harder to get away with as people could spot the items. However, if they don't remove permanent rangz from the game, this will be a godlike character, but one that costs twice as much karma as the Rukkian ones for probably not that much more power.

Warrior/Ranger + Rukkian Empowerment or Krathi Guile
Basically for the same reason as the assassin. They just don't scale as gamebreakingly as assassins do due to backstab. However, Godspeed is particularly good for rangers as the agility helps them more, allowing them to snipe people like a god and stealth like an assassin.

Warrior + Rukkian Protection
Hardly rocket science. A warrior with Armor+Stoneskin is night-invulnerable, and if this subguild does indeed get Burrow, it fixes the age-old problem of warriors being sitting ducks if they do get out-matched. This will be an insanely powerful character for PvE in particular as no NPC in the game can put a dent in a well-trained warrior with these two buffs up. Also, if this is the subguild that gets Wall of Sand, there's an answer to the problem warriors otherwise have with people running away. Stoneskin also makes you a lot heavier which should help with certain warrior skills, and protects against Whiran spells.

Warrior + Vivaduan Healing
Ye olde paladin. I mean, it's straight-forward. I wouldn't say this character is as powerful as the Rukkian buff or Krathi empower ones because you can only really heal after fights unless you're willing to render yourself unarmed mid-combat, but this character will be fantastic to have in a raiding crew or anything like that. The game is gonna feel like a fucking MMORPG.

Warrior + Whiran Illusion
I mean, warriors don't have stealth, so invisibility is particularly well-suited to them. It's both an offensive and defensive tool as it allows warriors to get the drop on people and solves the problem of them being sitting ducks when outmatched. Every other guild you'll encounter in PvP has stealth, leaving warriors at a disadvantage.

Ranger + whatever Viv subguild gets Invulnerability and Sanctuary
This will be great on a ranger as they aren't quite the defensive gods that warriors are, and are hurt more by the hefty agility penalty of Stoneskin. Also because these spells are more visible, which a ranger can counter with stealth. Rukkian Protection would also be fine on a ranger but I don't like the agility penalty and they don't need Burrow so much due to having stealth.

Ranger + Whiran Illusion
Invisible ranger. Farm peraine with ease, ride an invisible ratlon, get the perfect peraine shot on people who have no warning. You can shoot from the most favorable angle, and go in for the kill. Normally the trouble for a ranger is that stealth and mount are incompatible, making it difficult to get a shot off against a target who's checking the horizon.

Ranger + Whiran Travel
Shooting from the sky, anyone? Probably best suited for d-elves who don't rely on a mount.

Burglar + Krathi Devastation
This is purely for the ability to Demonfire someone from stealth. Could really be any rogue guild, but there's no reason to be an assassin if you have Demonfire, and pickpockets have nothing that synergizes whereas burglars can reach people almost anywhere. A Demonfire burglar could kill virtually any PC in Allanak and likely escape undiscovered thanks to stealth.