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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 22:25:10 GMT -5
Please save the negativity and list of the staffs' problems for the rest of the board. Please reserve this thread for constructive criticism. Feel free to include examples of past behavior but only to better illustrate your suggestions. Thank you.
Note: Vote for those you wish would improve. If you believe a staffer is beyond saving and wish they'd fall off the edge of the internet, never to be heard from again, don't vote for them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 22:42:13 GMT -5
I can only vote for five?!?!?!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 23:03:06 GMT -5
I can only vote for five?!?!?! Because each vote is equal, I wanted to keep a narrow focus. It'd be different if it were possible to vote more than once, so keep in mind a vote for Nyr or Nessalian is weighted the same as a vote for all the others. Just vote for those who you believe are furthest from the staff members you believe they could become. Please note that you shouldn't vote for staff members you believe are beyond the point of no return.
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Post by delerak on Oct 29, 2015 23:07:52 GMT -5
This seems like a cheap popularity contest. Who are we to judge them and say they need to improve? I think this thread demonstrates more the fact that there are way too many staff then who needs to improve the most.
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Post by latrineswimmer on Oct 29, 2015 23:36:05 GMT -5
I don't like this poll.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 23:40:17 GMT -5
The weaknesses I see in staff are 1) Poor communication with players 2) lack of accountability 3) Inconsistency
I'm stealing this quote from Steven Covey but I think it's applicable and that is "First seek to understand and then seek to be understood." Players don't feel understood. This is apparent in Euronymous's post saying there is no player/staff divide. The idea of a divide is dismissed before it's been looked into. If the players say there is a divide and the staff doesn't understand, then staff aren't understanding the players. Staff need to consider players concerns and regardless of if they are valid or not, the players can't come away feeling invalidated or that's a loss for the community. When player concerns are validated staff needs address them with mensurable action or rise losing credibility.
There's another phrase, "Familiarity breeds contempt". When dealing with people it's easy to forget to be polite and offer the proper respect, this is true both for players and staff. One problem here is that staff are the authority so they set the tone and the standard. When staff are polite and rational, players respond in kind. When staff go on rants on the GDB and in private correspondence (the request tool), this becomes a problem. The GDB is provided as a courtesy to the players, it'd make sense to be courtesy when posting on it. If players need to post a rant, that's what these boards are for. If staff want to post a rant, they should post it somewhere players can't read it.
Nyr often posts on the GDB that complaints about staff should be sent through the request tool. If the complaint is about a senior staff member, and that person resolves the request, there's no real point. While these boards seem like a good way to publicly shame misbehavior by staff, but it's needlessly ugly airing dirty laundry in public.
So Adhira... I find her presence in the game mysteriously absent. But not only her, there's a high turnover rate for game staff. Staff would benefit greatly be identifying why staff burn out and fade away and phase out those aspects of the staffing role. If senior staff aren't actively participating, someone should be stepping up to fill that role to ensure players that someone is at the helm, informing players of where the game is and where it's headed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 23:49:17 GMT -5
This seems like a cheap popularity contest. Who are we to judge them and say they need to improve? I think this thread demonstrates more the fact that there are way too many staff then who needs to improve the most. This poll is what we make it because we have the power to make it whatever we want.
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Post by delerak on Oct 30, 2015 0:01:13 GMT -5
Fair enough. I just don't think I am personally qualified to look at some internet personality of some random person who types on a forum and say anything about them.
People just need to be decent to each other more than anything.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 0:21:17 GMT -5
I agree Delerak. I really like this form because players can speak their mind without being bullied or dismissed by staff or staff white knights or sycophants.
My hope here is to create an opportunity for staff's greatest critics to make a change for the better. I know this place is charged with a lot of hate, but honestly that doesn't do anyone any good other than a means of catharsis, and even that's useful. I rip on staff here all the time, and will probably continue to do it. My mental health is much better because I can vent my negative emotions here on this forum. However venting alone isn't going to give me any closure.
This is a limited attempt to make the game better, it's got to be taken with some salt because it's the internet. But what if a staffer who wanted to improve read constructive criticisms they read here and acted on it? I doubt any negative comments made will add much of anything to what's been said anywhere else on this forum.
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Post by delerak on Oct 30, 2015 0:55:08 GMT -5
The problem is a lot of people here probably have limited exposure to most staff. I know I can't speak about anyone on staff right now because I have no experience at all within the past few years. I've had some characters, sure, but I played anonymously and avoided staff like the plague.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 7:22:40 GMT -5
it'll be helpful - if we want to start playing, we now have a rough guide of those to avoid. but granted the consolidation of staff, and that the top offenders are in higher-order positions, I seriously doubt we'll be able to just play low as desertman suggested, and avoid them.
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Post by my2sids on Oct 31, 2015 22:16:22 GMT -5
People just need to be decent to each other more than anything. QFT.
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Post by sirra on Oct 31, 2015 22:24:15 GMT -5
Mordiggian could try to not imitate Nyr and Nessalin on the GDB by being as obnoxious a cocksucker as possible. Nyr often posts on the GDB that complaints about staff should be sent through the request tool. If the complaint is about a senior staff member, and that person resolves the request, there's no real point. While these boards seem like a good way to publicly shame misbehavior by staff, but it's needlessly ugly airing dirty laundry in public. There is literally no point to sending in a staff complaint. All it will do is unite the staff against you, because they have no concept of being impartial. They're an extremely defensive, 'us against them' lot, that see their own playerbase as a hostile insurgency. I had Nessalin cuss me out (very disrespectfully) and close my complaint preemptively and without any investigation, and then when I objected to Nessalin doing that, Nyr simply came in and said that my complaint was invalid, because of some legalese bullshit. Something to the effect of not being allowed to raise objections over 'resolved' complaints, except in a specific format, and my not following that format, (which I did, actually), made it automatically disqualified from being considered. He made a point of specifically ignoring the substance of it, and even rubbing my nose in the fact that he was ignoring it. (And btw, it was also against the rules to object to the dismissal of an objection). I hadn't expected anything less, but still, I was impressed at just how egregiously unjust the process was. They're the kind of people, where even though this is all essentially just a game, and they're nothing but quirky, somewhat asinine online personalities...They have this magical way of making themselves so deeply, unlikeably repellent.
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Post by forarm on Nov 1, 2015 4:55:52 GMT -5
I think most people have said everything that needs to be said about Nyr/Nessalin. So let me comment on someone else. Ever since Talia began posting I've had this sneaking suspicion she was Gimfalisette.
Now I am sure that both Gimfalisette and Talia are generally nice people in person. However, back in the copper wars when everyone was complaining about how little information got to the masse. During this time Gimfalisette argued otherwise, because staff had shared information with her character. She never realized that this was a problem back then, that staff only involved people they liked in their plots. This was something everyone was complaining about but not her, she was busy kissing staff ass. There is something about her characters and the way she posts that really outs her, I could always figure out who she was playing before she went and admitted it for example.
The problem with Gimfalisette is that she comes off as pompus know it all, who doesn't consider the fact that just maybe she doesn't really know jack shit about what the fuck she is talking about and is completely fucking wrong. More so than that, she has always been a cheerleader, who kissed the ass of the staff and stepped on the concerns of other players. And thats the same feeling I get from Talia. She comes off nice and helpful, until you criticize her or staff, then she loses her cool and gets all huffy about it. She just doesn't realize that she could be very wrong, and that the rest of the staff can be fucktards. I don't know if they are the same person but I'd be surprised if they weren't.
Again not bad people, but probably better for the game that both of them are gone for a while.
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Post by grumble on Nov 1, 2015 7:46:45 GMT -5
When I've gotten negativity from other staffers, Mordiggian has always been the one to push through the player kudos I've received. Each time I've quit and/or gotten a backhand from staff, he's been the guy who's been like, hey, look here, someone you played with said good things about you. It honestly kept me playing the game. I'm just sick of receiving kudos from fellow players for being the rare person who isn't playing the unstoppable badass, while, nothing changes, and things devolve quickly IG into middle-school locker-room drama. Yes, people IRL have tried to give me a swirly before, I've even been bludgeoned in the side of the head with a roll of quarters by a vicious asshat. I have no desire to relive that and wish I could play an RPI with mature people who understand others may have some difficulty, but this becomes impossible when I see the herd mentality displayed by some players and staff.
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