malkeninthemiddle
Displaced Tuluki
Black woman lawyer on a television morning show
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Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 23, 2015 0:17:47 GMT -5
There's always something that will give you away.
Beside, constantly trying to "look" like a n00b must get tiresome, no? I mean it's not like you can make a new account and start acting like you know what you're doing and all. Especially if you're logging in from an IP that is known as a proxy.
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delerak
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"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on Apr 23, 2015 0:40:28 GMT -5
Just try to reconcile your relationship with the staff, though that's probably not possible so... www.bestvpn.com/blog/15400/5-best-vpn-providers-for-2015/A quick google search yields the above website. I personally use: www.strongvpn.com/It's about 80 bucks a year and I can switch servers up to 7 times a month. The great thing about these VPNs is they don't slow your connection down at all. Just install their software pay yer bill for a year and it will auto-connect everytime your PC boots. It's probably the best security you can actually have these days. |
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delerak
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"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on Apr 23, 2015 1:28:37 GMT -5
Hm. First reaction was to post how you're an idiot. But now I'm actually curious are you being serious or sarcasm?
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Najniaj
Clueless newb
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Post by Najniaj on Apr 23, 2015 6:17:15 GMT -5
"There's always something that will give you away." Although I wasn't here when you first posted, I'm curious as to why you would say something that seems as obviously false. Is there an argument here, that I'm missing? Is getting banned and staying banned is obviously a question choice, but is it actually the 'right', morally justified attitude to have? Could you please explain?  |
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Post by jcarter on Apr 23, 2015 8:14:00 GMT -5
I doubt staff pay enough attention to the pbase to correlate the emotes of newbies to previous disused accounts so idk what the worry is. A sudden ban for knowing how to hunt too well doesnt seem likely
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 8:54:42 GMT -5
I would probably be more inclined to play Armageddon again if I thought I could do it anonymously, but I don't think I could really do it without being figured out... Unless I completely dropped everything, even posting here, then came back anonymously after an extended period of time). Maybe I am overthinking it, but I have never played the game from an account that isn't my own, and I don't know if I could without readily broadcasting who I am.
Armageddon is meant to be played anonymously on the player side, but in my experience, a lot of bias comes from staff, too. So, I really think that playing Arm anonymously to other players AND to a staff who has demonstrated biases should be allowed.
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Post by silentlamb on Apr 23, 2015 8:56:58 GMT -5
VPNs won't work. I got perma banned, played with a VPN and got caught a week later. Tried again a month later, they questioned why I was using a VPN, spun a lie and got away with it for 6 months. Then got banned again. Funnily enough they let me back in anyway when I apologised.. So yeah, but I'm not allowed send in any requests till June 6th except for storage and join clan ones. The reason for my original perma-ban was multiplaying, I'd been playing for 4 months (#newbie), made a pretty terrible impression of myself and wanted to start over with a new account, got ban hammered.
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Post by pinkerdlu on Apr 23, 2015 9:07:44 GMT -5
Silent: What VPNs were you trying to use, etc? VPNs 'don't work' seem like a broad statement when there are apparently a number of individuals who have played on new accounts and earned karma while using a VPN.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 9:21:51 GMT -5
They can probably check your mac address if they're sufficiently interested in seeing if you match up to another account. This would presumably not happen unless they already suspect something. I've never staffed on a MUD where the mac address was readily apparent the way IPs are, so you'd have to investigate two specific accounts.
I've never been banned from Arm, but I've abandoned multiple accounts and made new ones out of sheer laziness, often on the same IP. Only once have I actually had a staff member ask me if some other account was mine (I think because I'd accidentally reused an sdesc), and when I said it was, they simply closed the old one or merged it or something. I suspect people are a lot more paranoid about getting "caught" than they need to be.
If you were banned, a VPN and new mac address should do the trick. You can change your mac address in a number of ways from new hardware to fiddling with configurations. However, note that a lot of the common VPNs are flagged as such and will be noticed by staff, especially if you try to post on the GDB. You're better off simply getting a new legitimate IP.
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Post by jcarter on Apr 23, 2015 9:46:21 GMT -5
Yeah I have a feeling if you're getting caught on a VPN it's probably a well-known public one that has been used before. I'm not sure how staff would be able to see your MAC address though. Honestly I think if you just waited a few months, reset your IP, and made a new account you would be fine. If they actually take the time out and try to geolocate your IP it's not going to give much information or positive ID unless you play in a rural area.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 9:55:38 GMT -5
Armageddon staff can be like the worst parts of law enforcement, epitomized.
Spending countless hours policing the most ridiculous shit, but falling short when it comes to putting time and effort into stuff that could help the game.
Maybe if you're going to brag about being a "volunteer," you should use your volunteer hours toward the betterment of the game - as opposed to trying to guess who from the shadowboards made which account, or spending time setting yourself up as the RP Critic Lawd Supreme (rawr), when you could have been, I don't know, working on those Arm 2.0 zones or figuring out how to make Tuluk not suck so bad. Some shit besides using your "hobby" and "volunteer hours" to bust a lot of people's balls.
Priorities are all kinds of fucked up on the staff front, and maybe it's always been that way. If it has, it seems a lot worse now than before.
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malkeninthemiddle
Displaced Tuluki
Black woman lawyer on a television morning show
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Post by malkeninthemiddle on Apr 23, 2015 10:10:34 GMT -5
"There's always something that will give you away." Although I wasn't here when you first posted, I'm curious as to why you would say something that seems as obviously false. Is there an argument here, that I'm missing? Is getting banned and staying banned is obviously a question choice, but is it actually the 'right', morally justified attitude to have? Could you please explain? Err, Jcarter deleted a couple of posts from this julio guy, who is the OP, so now it looks like I'm the guy who started this thread, which I'm not ;p I was replying to him saying that the best way to play Armageddon or something like that was to constantly create new accounts through proxies, this way Staff cannot keep bad notes about you and you can multiplay.. So I said that there is something that will eventually give you away, especially if you're on a new account over and over again and you look like you know what you're doing. Then I guess he said that he would sue delerak or something, no idea.. (this is also why I kinda have a hard time taking all of these "vets quitting" posts here and on the GDB seriously - The guy said he quit Arm for good like two weeks ago and now he's back using VPNs to create a new account) There's been around 65-70+ players online constantly in the last two weeks so even if some of you seem to find all these Tuluk-related plots ridiculous, I think it's fair to assume that a good bunch of players are enjoying it. Oh, and I'm not any better than any of them, mind you, I'm one of the guys that probably quit Armageddon for good on a yearly basis - I think I sometime hate Armageddon so bad because I also love it so bad - Armageddon is in my blood and I've played it for half of my life. I'm willing to take the bad with the good - Sometime the bad is worse than the good and sometime the good is just so pure awesome that it makes the bad tolerable. Like I said in another post, the games that I love the most I seem to have a love-hate relationship with them. To anyone who feels like they want to come back to Armageddon but think that Staff will screw them over, my best advice is to try to patch things up with them in private and go in with an open-mind. You will feel a lot better about Armageddon afterward than if you're constantly hiding yourself through VPNs and proxies. Am I saying that all of you will be met with open arms and an embrace? Definitely not, but if you feel like there is that tiny chance that you can talk things through with Staff like an adult, you might get out of that conversation happily surprised (like I did). Now I understand that this is a really unpopular opinion that I've just posted but I'm not one to go with crowd pleasures, not here and not on the GDB, so if you feel like Staff is still Satan, it's okay, it's your opinion and I respect it. I'm just posting what worked best for me. |
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calk
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Post by calk on Apr 23, 2015 11:03:30 GMT -5
Staff doesn't have to be constantly policing the policy in order to make the policy effective. In fact, arguably if they don't catch you until six months into your new account it's actually a lot more annoying than if they were hyper-vigilant and caught you right away. Then you'd actually be losing something.
This sort of thing is actually a strange scenario where half-assed enforcement is far more inconvenient than applying the full ass.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 11:32:41 GMT -5
Malken, I have tried to patch things up in private and, like I have written more than once, was treated like a dog.
Sorry, when you go to people with an apology and they put the sword to you, then it really tends to make you averse to future attempts of that nature.
Calk, I am in agreement that it would be way more annoying to be caught six months after the fact, which is why I have never really seriously considered something like that.
Still, I think the policy is fucked. The policy should be "as long as you aren't actively playing your other account, as long as you are being cool, as long as you aren't stirring up a bunch of OOC meta bullshit in the game world, then we will look the other way and leave you the fuck alone - because, hey, we realize that you won't be able to play the game with any real semblance of anonymity because the staff is filled with gossipy, sometimes vindictive cliques... And, you know, ArmageddonMUD is supposed to be about anonymous roleplaying, so we will look the other way and let you do your thing."
Just like with weed, too much RP/player policing eventually begins to hurt the very community that it is intended to help.
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Post by jcarter on Apr 23, 2015 11:49:16 GMT -5
OP asked me to remove some posts a little while ago so I did what i could, sorry for confusion guys
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