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Post by LordOfChange on Apr 16, 2015 8:48:01 GMT -5
Everyone seems pretty sure that this RPT spells the end of the Black Robe Order. Can we be positive about that? What if they are just trying to make it so that the Red Robes are going to be vying for their positions now? Just a thought. you might be right. but if so, who cares. black robes gone or not, reb robes v black robes, what difference does it make which untouchable npcs are doing what. didn't somebody mention secret staff fanfic behind the scenes recently on the shadow board, that's all that red robes v black robes would be. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 8:48:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with you, but if people are going to cite the removal of black robes as a plus, I'm just wondering how sure they are that that's what's going on. I understand that you don't think it's a plus, but some people do.
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 16, 2015 8:51:15 GMT -5
The citation of the black robes being removed is directly related to quotes from Talia and Nyr discussing "flattening" the power structure to allow for greater player relevance when it comes to sponsored roles. It stands to reason that with 2 black robes dying (by all appearances) would lead towards the black robes being removed as a game element in order to begin this flattening.
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Post by LordOfChange on Apr 16, 2015 8:51:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with you, but if people are going to cite the removal of black robes as a plus, I'm just wondering how sure they are that that's what's going on. I understand that you don't think it's a plus, but some people do. I grok what your saying |
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Post by Jeshin on Apr 16, 2015 8:52:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 8:53:17 GMT -5
The citation of the black robes being removed is directly related to quotes from Talia and Nyr discussing "flattening" the power structure to allow for greater player relevance when it comes to sponsored roles. It stands to reason that with 2 black robes dying (by all appearances) would lead towards the black robes being removed as a game element in order to begin this flattening. Nyr said on the GDB that Talia's quote was in reference to PC roles and the standard 'glass ceiling' and not IC power structures in any way, shape, or form, but...it's Nyr, so who knows. |
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Post by nyrsucks on Apr 16, 2015 8:55:46 GMT -5
Maybe it was just big dumb pointless fun like a Michael Bay movie. (NO PLOT)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 8:56:44 GMT -5
I'm reading over it, though, and I really do think, that while this may in fact be going on, it's probably a coincidence that Talia made this remark. After all, there's no indication that staff is removing red robes or senior nobles. I think she just phrased herself poorly and with poor timing to boot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 8:57:22 GMT -5
Maybe it was just big dumb pointlesd fun like a Michael Bay movie. (NO PLOT) Haha, I think there is a plot, but the RPT was totally Michael Bay. I was actually laughing out loud during a lot of it. Entertaining, though. |
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Post by LordOfChange on Apr 16, 2015 8:57:48 GMT -5
Maybe it was just big dumb pointlesd fun like a Michael Bay movie. (NO PLOT) how DARE you say it was pointless? THERE WERE LIGHTS IN THE SKY eta: do you people know how much work the imms must do to put lights in the sky? you should all be greatful for their hard work and mind blowing storytelling capabilities. the skies don't light themselves up people |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 9:03:07 GMT -5
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Post by nyrsucks on Apr 16, 2015 9:05:58 GMT -5
It has all the classic features of a Nick Cage film. All the dialogue is either whispered or shouted and everything is on fire. (Or w/e look up Andy Sandberg in the cage with nick cage)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 9:07:14 GMT -5
I didn't see even one fire kank. 0/10 That's why I killed the black robes.
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Post by sirra on Apr 16, 2015 23:00:56 GMT -5
The problem is the staff isn't willing to give up significant control of the story. They admitted as much. The story is set, and you are just the flavor that has no real impact. Watch their magnificent plots with NPCs! Admittedly, this is one of the things that has most irked me. But if I can try to project myself into a Birdman-like fantasy state, and imagine staff as benignly neutral, I still think that consolidating and re-focusing the game's themes more tightly around the Allanaki experience, is still an improvement. The tragedy is that it might be wasted. But it's always been a shame to see roughly one third to one half of the game's resources wasted on some fan fiction social experiment in the north, where the grass is green and all is plentiful. It's Allanak's harsh deserts, salt flats and angry gith, that speak to me. Not gently rolling plains of cavorting stilt lizards, darting hawks and pristine forests. |
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Post by BitterFlashback on Apr 17, 2015 0:10:20 GMT -5
sirra, welcome back. I'll answer your questions one-by-one; you missed a couple posts of mine where I elaborated on these points at length. Oh, and since RedRanger's finally out, I don't have to roleplay as Bitter anymore! No more beginning sentences with conjunctions! I fucked off for a couple weeks, and I came back to: 1) Nessalin stepping down He stepped down right before a major world-shaking HRPT, Tuluk closing, and Nyr finally climaxing. It's a bad omen. I've mentioned a few times that this is the staff's pattern of destruction. They take a thing, make it generate work for them, and then get rid of it because it's too much work. Their insanity has gone unchecked to the point it's caused them to destroy one of only two major civilizations. When that fails to fix the game, they're not going to second-guess the idiotic strategy they've been using for years. They're going to start shutting down more civilizations. 3) An apparent commitment by Nyr to give player leaders more agency by killing off NPCs* No leaders have any agency. The staff stifles it. The only thing you're going to see happen is NPCs shuffled around and reading about different ultracharacters you'll never interact with meaningfully running things that don't matter to you. I mentioned this in another thread; they've added more people to do more work they'll have to review. Yes, upper staff are assigning the work, but that means they also will have to do the work of making work for the builders to do that will make work they have to approve (which is work).
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