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Post by demonspongecake on Jan 26, 2015 20:29:14 GMT -5
Half giants can be fun, just throw loyalty out the window and cause havoc. I agree that all the half giant soldiers everywhere isn't paying attention to the docs. Anyone with half a brain should be able to con a half giant into leaving his post, selling his pants etc
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Post by sirra on Jan 26, 2015 22:26:15 GMT -5
And yet, there are a few places where see Half-giants with sergeant, lieutenant, and even one guy has a captain rank. NPCs of course, but not something a player would ever be allowed to pull off.
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Post by Tektrollnes on Jan 27, 2015 2:56:15 GMT -5
Ive died to bad half giant rp. Staff asked me if I wanted to complain after one of them. I didn't because I figured Half giants are dumb.
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Post by Patuk on Jan 27, 2015 6:10:59 GMT -5
Just where exactly do HG's reach such ranks? The AoD only promotes them to corporal in very rare cases, and the Legions does the same. The only organisation left with such ranks is the Byn, and they're not a perfect model for a prestigious organisation anyway.
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Post by sirra on Jan 27, 2015 8:28:37 GMT -5
Just where exactly do HG's reach such ranks? The AoD only promotes them to corporal in very rare cases, and the Legions does the same. The only organisation left with such ranks is the Byn, and they're not a perfect model for a prestigious organisation anyway. Unless it's been changed in the years since, there used to be a ton of HG AoD and Legion NPCs sporting sergeant+ insignia and a couple examples among the Merchant Houses. I wasn't referring to PCs, if you were curious as to where exactly I had seen them. I remember specifically hearing about the founding of some historical/NPC mercenary company where a half-giant captain was involved among the 'founding fathers' as it were, and there's a HG NPC in the Byn with a high rank. It's not a matter about prestige. It's whether even a half-giant with exceptional wisdom has the ability to not be a retarded stereotype. If not, then I don't see why they're even allowed as PCs, except for people who get a hardon from high strength. If they're just meant to be dumbass stereotypes with all essentially having the same personality (within only a very few tiny degrees of difference before the witch hunt begins), then maybe they should just be reserved for NPCs. Their main reason for existence seems to be flooding Allanak and Tuluk with large cadres of half-giant shock troops, anyways, for templars to have follow them around. There's nothing particularly redeeming about half-giant RP - to the extent of RP they're allowed to have - and those that dig half-giants I suspect, just dig the strength stat more. Personally, I think it should be within a half-giant's mental capacity to be a sergeant/drill sergeant type, and even for an ancient, hoary old giant to even be in a real semi-leadership position. If a half-giant has spent his entire life (sixty+ years) serving in a mercenary company, there's no reason he might not have a place in the 'war room' or bellow orders during battle. But that would be if they were meant to be realized as actual, (albeit somewhat limited) characters in any kind of meaningful story. Make them karma 6 or such if need be, but at least make them worth playing - for a reason besides the strength stat, which attracts a certain subset of men who find having the highest strength in a room pleasurable, even in a virtual environment. By the time I stopped playing Arm I was ready to murder every half-giant I heard respond to everything with a shit-eating grin and "Yup". But that, according to the GDB, is the paragon of half-giant RP.
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Post by Jeshin on Jan 27, 2015 9:16:03 GMT -5
I'd be all on the HG bandwagon but Albie is a pretty good example (in my opinion) of a well played HG that enriches the byn. That being said you need to remember that Tuluki Legion according to the docs are mindbended by the faithful and Sun King. The docs describe them as fanatically loyal and disciplined. PCs obviously don't get the same mindbender treatment even though that'd be fucking sick.
I mean could you imagine if joining the Legions 100% meant a Templar mindbender was going to begin conditioning and molding you? Think how good that RP could be and how good it could be for tuluk if the PC mindbenders actually tried conditioning prominent citizens behavior like they should be. Anaiah if you're reading this mind chiming in with any precedent or contradiction to my doc inspired idea?
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Post by Patuk on Jan 27, 2015 9:24:27 GMT -5
Yeah, that's been changed for sure, and rightly so. There are no half-giants above corporal level, and rightly so, as ar as I'm concerned.
As for them all having the same personality.. I think that is mostly due to the limitations of Arm's RP than due to people being lazy. Half-giants are imitative above all else. A half-giant who hangs out among people curing meat all day is going to have a very different personality than a half-giant who works with a stickup crew does. I just think that it's really hard for many people to stick around other PC's long enough to really adapt and mimic their behaviors/mannerisms very well, for the sheer reasons of timezones/playtimes/whatever getting in the way.
Or I could be wrong. It seems more likely to me that half-giants just are hard, however.
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Post by lyse on Jan 27, 2015 10:02:11 GMT -5
I don't think there's very much incentive to rp these days. So it's mostly grunting, nodding and silence...with the exception of when people think staff is animating something of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 10:47:15 GMT -5
That goes for everyone, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 11:43:25 GMT -5
Jeshin that would be awesome indeed. I've never seen it happen, and since there was no set precedent or outline for it, was sort of encouraged to let the pcs do their own thing. That said, if it was well known coming into it that that's how pcs experienced the world too, that would be amazing. It would also encourage staff to animate some of it when no templar pcs were doing it.
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Post by lyse on Jan 27, 2015 11:48:30 GMT -5
That goes for everyone, though. That's what I meant.
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Post by sirra on Jan 27, 2015 22:33:05 GMT -5
I'd be all on the HG bandwagon but Albie is a pretty good example (in my opinion) of a well played HG that enriches the byn. That being said you need to remember that Tuluki Legion according to the docs are mindbended by the faithful and Sun King. The docs describe them as fanatically loyal and disciplined. PCs obviously don't get the same mindbender treatment even though that'd be fucking sick. I mean could you imagine if joining the Legions 100% meant a Templar mindbender was going to begin conditioning and molding you? Think how good that RP could be and how good it could be for tuluk if the PC mindbenders actually tried conditioning prominent citizens behavior like they should be. Anaiah if you're reading this mind chiming in with any precedent or contradiction to my doc inspired idea? Just another example of roles which by definition of their current documentation make them less suitable for a player, where a blindly loyal, one-dimensional and/or fanatic NPC is called for.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 22:38:05 GMT -5
I think some people would complain about power-emoting mindbenders forcing them to feel things their character wouldn't feel. And some people would love it and RP it to the hilt. But no matter what you do - or not do - you're going to get people complaining about it.
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Post by Jeshin on Jan 27, 2015 22:39:40 GMT -5
Don't mindbenders have a skill that gives the ability to force people to feel certain emotions? That's like complaining whirans have invisibility.
PS - Pretty much every log of Muk Utep has him exhibiting his power to instill emotions into the crowds such as drunken pleasure or pride or whatever. Go check em.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 8:10:38 GMT -5
Don't mindbenders have a skill that gives the ability to force people to feel certain emotions? That's like complaining whirans have invisibility. PS - Pretty much every log of Muk Utep has him exhibiting his power to instill emotions into the crowds such as drunken pleasure or pride or whatever. Go check em. I know, and people complain about it. That's my point. They don't want the staff forcing emotions on the PCs. People complain about invisible whirans being impervious to attack. Other people claim that's their only defense and they're otherwise as vulnerable as a tregil to anything with a weapon. No matter what kind of added "power" you give one group or another, you will find a group of people whining about it. And no matter what kind of power you take away from one group or another, you will find a group of people whining about it. Of course if you leave things the way they are, you'll find people whining about it. The logical response, then, is to leave things as they are. That involves the least amount of effort for the exact same result.
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