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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 0:04:59 GMT -5
Once upon a time per suggestion from mansa, I made a character in the rinth. When I said hey, think a Nilazi would be cool, he was like uhhhh I don't know about that but you can see why when you get in game.
so I waltz into the rinth with my spankin new Nilazi and am practicing casting in totally predictable areas when suddenly WTFOMG tentacles AaiIIAAKISHD... And so my character was introduced into the Guild incarnation that is still talked about to this day. One of you fuckheads on this board even likes to brag about stealing the enchantment ring that Dust the defiler gave that PC, so fuck you... Anyway.
Being a Nilazi in the Guild in super power end game times was cool but there were down times that we filled with being, well, criminals.
One scheme my guy developed was renting an apartment in Tuluk, mind always shielded, and using it to base operations out of.
Well, despite my character always having his mind guarded, Vanth decided that the Lirathans would still know. So, leaving the tuluk apartment one day, my guilder and another were met with a group of uhhh half-giant guards who insta attacked us. The other Guilder died, but my guy was able to escape through the strength of the Void. I thought it was over after narrowly escaping death at the hands of multiple guards as a weak ass half elf magicker.
But no, in my email the next day was a notification that my karma was being removed for exploiting a certain Nilazi spell. It was clear that no such exploitation had taken place and that the staff member was just furious that she had been too inept to kill me with the half-giants.
People on the GDB were incredulous that I am still mad about this, but when you escape high IC odds against you and live while your partner dies, only to be punished OOCly for making it out alive... Well... I can't see how ANY player or staff member would think that's justified.
Edit: I almost forgot the love part!
For some reason, the imm who did this, Vanth, had sent me an odd message on AIM assuming that I had romantic feelings for her, and it was so weird that I blocked her from AIM. Not long after this, the episode that results in my karma being removed occurs, and guess who was the one who removed it? Right, Vanth, a lover scorned.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Dec 15, 2014 9:25:30 GMT -5
I guess it depends on which definitions they were working off of.
so yeah, i guess they were technically correct. You utilized a spell (by casting it at all) and made the best use of it possible (saving yourslf from death). you know how bureaucrats lovetheir technicalities.
i also can't think of a worse thing you could do than survivng a WTFPWN BBQ involving HG guards. I mean what a dick thing for you to do to the staff by surviving.
All kidding aside, do you have any logs of this stuff. i log and save pretty much everything, so i have to ask.
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Post by sirra on Dec 15, 2014 9:32:31 GMT -5
Well, despite my character always having his mind guarded, Vanth decided that the Lirathans would still know. So, leaving the tuluk apartment one day, my guilder and another were met with a group of uhhh half-giant guards who insta attacked us. The other Guilder died, but my guy was able to escape through the strength of the Void. I thought it was over after narrowly escaping death at the hands of multiple guards as a weak ass half elf magicker. And we were just having a discussion recently about whether Abuzer the dwarf should have RP'd more with the red fangs before attacking them. I noticed this years ago, but this anecdote is amusing evidence of the past realization that players are often FAR more concerned with the morality or ethics of an encounter than quite a few staffers have ever been. Let me tell you - when a staffer wants to kill your ass with an NPC - nuanced RP is the least you can expect from them. I have a log of one such encounter up on the board. Again, my victory was attributed to abusing the code. In this case, charge/trample. |
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Post by Kronibas 2.0 on Dec 15, 2014 11:11:48 GMT -5
Vanth here
Kroni let me 420 blaze ur dick!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 11:28:53 GMT -5
You know, I really even hate talking about drama like that, but when it seems pretty clear that it had something to do with your karma being removed, it's worth noting.
Vanth sure did like MoF's post saying that I have Martyr Syndrome on Facebook the other day.
I think there's a huge difference between being a martyr and calling bullshit when people fuck with you for little or no reason while you're just trying to enjoy yourself while not intruding on the enjoyment of others, at all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 11:47:31 GMT -5
Well, despite my character always having his mind guarded, Vanth decided that the Lirathans would still know. So, leaving the tuluk apartment one day, my guilder and another were met with a group of uhhh half-giant guards who insta attacked us. The other Guilder died, but my guy was able to escape through the strength of the Void. I thought it was over after narrowly escaping death at the hands of multiple guards as a weak ass half elf magicker. And we were just having a discussion recently about whether Abuzer the dwarf should have RP'd more with the red fangs before attacking them. I noticed this years ago, but this anecdote is amusing evidence of the past realization that players are often FAR more concerned with the morality or ethics of an encounter than quite a few staffers have ever been. Let me tell you - when a staffer wants to kill your ass with an NPC - nuanced RP is the least you can expect from them. I have a log of one such encounter up on the board. Again, my victory was attributed to abusing the code. In this case, charge/trample. The half-giant soldiers were right outside the door and attacked literally as soon as we walked out. In was a cheap attempt at killing a character, and when it failed, they simply removed my karma. |
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Post by nobody on Dec 15, 2014 23:53:46 GMT -5
Yup... that's why I also think the whole spy situation in Tuluk was full of fucking shit, if you can get caught like this. So sad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 3:20:42 GMT -5
Also, aside from barrier, the Nilazi used other precautions... And the Lirathans still knew.
If it were an IC mistake, fine, kill the character.
If it was an OOC mistake genuinely, wouldn't they have OOCly corresponded the fact that I was not acting appropriately first? Instead of try to kill my character?
What I am supposed to think when they try to kill the character and, upon failing, THEN OOCly punish me?
It just doesn't add up.
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Post by sirra on Dec 16, 2014 7:49:29 GMT -5
I'm sure it's been posted about, but quite a few staffers are more than willing to spy and keep tabs on players with their staff alt, while in conflict or competition with them on their IC alt. And they can play multiple characters at a time. So one corrupt staffer can cast quite a wide net, given that Armageddon is actually a much smaller world than it seems. There's a lot of places you're just not allowed to go.
That this, and the karma for joining staff, doesn't make more people howl with outrage on the cocksucking GDB, continues to mystify me. It's just so transparently obvious that this system has attracted many staffers who only want to feather their own nest.
I've been tempted to Ask Staff about this state of affairs in the past.
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Post by lyse on Dec 16, 2014 10:33:14 GMT -5
I'm sure it's been posted about, but quite a few staffers are more than willing to spy and keep tabs on players with their staff alt, while in conflict or competition with them on their IC alt. And they can play multiple characters at a time. So one corrupt staffer can cast quite a wide net, given that Armageddon is actually a much smaller world than it seems. There's a lot of places you're just not allowed to go. That this, and the karma for joining staff, doesn't make more people howl with outrage on the cocksucking GDB, continues to mystify me. It's just so transparently obvious that this system has attracted many staffers who only want to feather their own nest. I've been tempted to Ask Staff about this state of affairs in the past. I think this is one of many elephants in the room. I've had a few instances where I've been off work and logged on not during my usual playtime and 30 seconds to a minute later someone else immediately logs on. Like *poof*...before I got a chance to even way someone. It's happend frequently enough to where I'm sure its not coincidence. Bitter and I had a conversation about being suspicious of "new players" in chat one day too. It's creepy and lame I think. |
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Post by delerak on Dec 16, 2014 20:53:18 GMT -5
I'm not surprised anymore by any stories people post on here about Arm having vindictive, childish, immature staffers. Srsly this is Arm staff:  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 21:24:01 GMT -5
It is also important to note that they accused me of walking around with Nilazi spells in Tuluk, but from my understanding, the Void would prevent detection from my psionics.
If Tuluk has some trump card that beats the void and can detect them, fine, but how am I supposed to know this?
Why should a player be punished for intruding upon defenses that are not outlined in documentation? Yes, there are things one can infer about Tuluk's defenses through the documentation, and that can also prompt the Nilazi to take measures to appropriately defend himself.
But if there's no way to beat the mind powers of Lirathans, EVEN AS A NILAZI, then you should not punish me as a player for being naive to these omniscient aspects of Tuluk, which apparently aren't too omniscient considering the stories about spies slipping into Tuluk.
My Nilazi was going into and out of Tuluk for less than two RL weeks, and he was automagically detected, but spies can remain undetected while joining the Legions and the Hlum?
Can people not see what a huge double standard this is? Why should players face these kind of biases?
It's genuinely fucked up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 21:26:02 GMT -5
I would really like a staff member to come forward and explain these inconsistencies and others.
But since there's no good explanation, a staff member coming here and recognizing the fact that some really fucked up shit has been happening probably wouldn't hurt, if they really meant it, anyway.
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Post by jkarr on Dec 16, 2014 22:08:15 GMT -5
It is also important to note that they accused me of walking around with Nilazi spells in Tuluk, but from my understanding, the Void would prevent detection from my psionics. If Tuluk has some trump card that beats the void and can detect them, fine, but how am I supposed to know this? Why should a player be punished for intruding upon defenses that are not outlined in documentation? Yes, there are things one can infer about Tuluk's defenses through the documentation, and that can also prompt the Nilazi to take measures to appropriately defend himself. But if there's no way to beat the mind powers of Lirathans, EVEN AS A NILAZI, then you should not punish me as a player for being naive to these omniscient aspects of Tuluk, which apparently aren't too omniscient considering the stories about spies slipping into Tuluk. My Nilazi was going into and out of Tuluk for less than two RL weeks, and he was automagically detected, but spies can remain undetected while joining the Legions and the Hlum? Can people not see what a huge double standard this is? Why should players face these kind of biases? It's genuinely fucked up. totally agree that they shouldnt have punished u as a player for being naive to aspects that they ironically would punish u for knowing  with that said the ic justification could be akin to u being bella from twilight - the mind-reading vamps are going to immediately notice when ur the only one in the crowd theyre getting dead psionic silence from |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 23:13:36 GMT -5
Sure, but is it like a net thing? Or is it like, I was assuming, you have to attract the attention of a templar to bring the heat down?
I took precautions against the latter ICly, but if there are buffer, more farsweeping measures, they shouldn't punish me OOCly for encroaching on them. They did try to punish the character ICly, failed, and so they punished me OOCly. I just can't see how that's justified or defended by current staff, especially considering the fact that Vanth was fucking creeping. I would not make that shit up, and I would say fuck you to /anyone/ who thinks I would write shit like that if it weren't true.
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with that said the ic justification could be akin to u being bella from twilight - the mind-reading vamps are going to immediately notice when ur the only one in the crowd theyre getting dead psionic silence from