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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 15:53:54 GMT -5
One major problem as I see it is there is no where else to go play. They can say "If you don't like it here, leave!" because they know despite Nyr and his enablers, all the other RPIs don't cut it. You're right. I have considered in recent times looking into setting up a server/MUD for the first time ever but have no basis of knowledge in any other that. Even if just as a hobby, I would like to have a server set up with DIKU called "Beyond the Known" and start from the borders of the mapped areas and extend outward. More as a personal writing project and anti-arm-addiction tool, but I have absolutely no foundation of knowledge in coding and am putting my resources into perfecting medicinal grade hash oil refinement at the moment. I really feel that a game taking place in the same world but in a different section of the world would be cool. But, it would be impossible to emulate the coding. Since the imms don't want us on their Armageddon, if I had the technical prowess, I would like to make a different one. I do think that I could do a lot of area building and writing. You could start the game west of the canyons of waste, west of the serpent mountain, north of the chasm, and to the east, beyond a certain hive, making that structure the western border of the game, complete with ready-made enemies while allowing one's imagination to envision, in code and on a grid map, what the area beyond looks like. |
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Post by dcdc on Dec 14, 2014 16:05:56 GMT -5
Since the imms don't want us on their Armageddon, if I had the technical prowess, I would like to make a different one. I do think that I could do a lot of area building and writing. I think remaking Arm or doing something similar, should be done in a more modern engine. Japheth's Engine looks like it will be super neat if he can get it finished and working. www.futuremud.com/Once you have a working engine, learning some basic scripting skills is pretty easy. Then all that is required is a few people with the will and autism enough to actually build the world. Come on guize lets start our own Arm with hookers and black jack  |
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Post by jcarter on Dec 14, 2014 16:28:57 GMT -5
It's easier if the girl in charge of it is someone Nyr has a hardon for, but I wouldn't blame the girl for it, persay. Girls who Nyr gets a hardon for always have it easy on the game. Heck, I know someone who is pretty nice, and who I know has a good 'relationship' with Nyr. This player - no offense to them, I've said it to them myself quite a few times - can be a real spaz. He/She's been given multiple, incredible special apps...In the brief time I was tracking them, there was a fire mage with warrior skills, and a mutant with mul stats. And they died in like 2 days playtime. Usually owing to impatience or boredom, it seemed. Went through one character after another. Has still pretty much gotten every special app he/she ever applied for (or so it seems). And keep in mind, I LIKE this person. I think they're very nice, OOCly, and their characters are often amusing ICly. But man, he/she, strokes Nyr's ego and gets well rewarded for it. I was always boggled by their special apps, and have told them so. A few things. 1.) this was me. I didn't have a good relationship at the time with Nyr. I didn't know him much or play in his clans that I can recall. The staff that liked me or setup my specapps back then were Belenos, Shalooooonsh, Mekeda. 2.) None of my specapps were more powerful than today's extended subguilds, looking at them nowadays in hindsight. I did have a Krathi with guard subguild, plus disarm. I think piercing weapons, too. No parry. That might amount to an extended subguild nowadays. 3.) I was actually really disliked after a period of a couple of years by staff overall. I got karma wiped. I staff complainted a couple times. I got over myself. Some staff like me nowadays I guess. 4.) I like to think through reasonable communication with staff over a period of time and good behavior that I'm considered a "good" player now. I know some staff don't like to personally deal with me cause reasons. That's okay. was this before or after you started hanging out with Armers irl |
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Post by sirra on Dec 14, 2014 19:18:50 GMT -5
No. He will never resign. Adhira and Ness have his back unconditionally.Or are you being sarcastic? ur free to ur own opinion but id rather have someone being motivated by that to post everything theyve got for others to see vs not bothering to post anyways because 'no he will never resign' lol. doesnt matter whether u think he will or not, just post it and let the chips fall where they want after Adhira and Ness are totally aware of it. The problem is, they're both apathetic and burnt out. Nyr - who for all his many, many faults and his many bad decisions - is obsessively, even frantically active. So they just chillax and let Nyr handle things. What damns Adhira and Ness is that they'd rather be lazy than remove someone who has clearly been a vast net negative to the game. Hence: Fuck Adhira and Ness. In their own way, they are both worse than Nyr. They are his facilitators. And they will be FINE about it for as long as Nyr continues to receive much of the blame that they equally deserve. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 20:13:56 GMT -5
Players are just going to keep leaving.
Imagine the current crop of new players. When they're reading about Nyr taking away my karma because he has invented a new karma system, shouldn't they worry about some other new guy coming in later on down the line and making THEIR earned karma invalid with HIS new system?
What the fuck?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 20:24:20 GMT -5
I only saw Adhira's post on the staff anouncements edited by Morgenes back in 2011 about the karma changes. It's a sticky. I can't find the changes Nyr made. Was it after this?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 21:05:48 GMT -5
I heard earned all my karma before anyone put any sort of specific guidelines for how to earn karma.
I was a good player who strived at good roleplaying in a time where lots of people didn't give a fuck.
I don't think new generations of staff members should be able to make up rules that remove karma from players they don't like and give it to players they do. If this happens every shifting of the guard, it gets fucking old.
Taking something away from someone because they don't want to communicate with staff members who probably don't give a shit about what they have to say anyway is absurd.
If you earn something, you should be able to keep it until you are abusing it. What's really happening is that they only want players who are their favorites to have it and will look for any reason to take it away from older players because I guess they believe the judgment of older imms is worthless of something.
I earned my karma through being a good player, not by being forced to send weekly emails to some asshole who I don't even like and who is a hack writer. I mean, what the fuck.
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Post by jkarr on Dec 14, 2014 21:23:54 GMT -5
I earned my karma through being a good player, not by being forced to send weekly emails to some asshole who I don't even like and who is a hack writer. I mean, what the fuck. qfmft |
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Post by my2sids on Dec 14, 2014 21:31:17 GMT -5
A few things. 1.) this was me. I didn't have a good relationship at the time with Nyr. I didn't know him much or play in his clans that I can recall. The staff that liked me or setup my specapps back then were Belenos, Shalooooonsh, Mekeda. 2.) None of my specapps were more powerful than today's extended subguilds, looking at them nowadays in hindsight. I did have a Krathi with guard subguild, plus disarm. I think piercing weapons, too. No parry. That might amount to an extended subguild nowadays. 3.) I was actually really disliked after a period of a couple of years by staff overall. I got karma wiped. I staff complainted a couple times. I got over myself. Some staff like me nowadays I guess. 4.) I like to think through reasonable communication with staff over a period of time and good behavior that I'm considered a "good" player now. I know some staff don't like to personally deal with me cause reasons. That's okay. was this before or after you started hanging out with Armers irl Before. I don't know who Belenos/Mekeda are still. I only found out who Shaloonsh was a couple years after he left staff. We've never hung out although we've talked online. I don't really see correlation since I've only hung out with Storytellers/former STs. I've had conversations with higher ranking staff but for tthe most part it's been on the record stuff. I like to think that most of my "improvement" had been relative to me no longer being a young 20 year old and have developed better interpersonal skills. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 21:56:02 GMT -5
I earned my karma through being a good player, not by being forced to send weekly emails to some asshole who I don't even like and who is a hack writer. I mean, what the fuck. qfmft Specifically, I mean Nyr. I think there are staff members on Arm who are far from hack writers, but that hardly seems to matter when they are basically just acting as middle men for Nyr. Not it a good situation in Armageddon. |
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Post by jcarter on Dec 14, 2014 21:56:17 GMT -5
if i'm reading that correctly and you don't at all see any 'correlation' between how hanging out with staff members can effect how staff perceives you and can lead to favoritism or rewards, then i think we're so far apart on the issue that it's not even worth talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 22:01:40 GMT -5
Correlation isn't causation, though, as I've been told many times. I spoke to a lot of players still while I was an ST. And when they were in my clans, I let others take care of the back and forth on things. Same with asking others for 'their' thoughts on whether or not the person should receive karma, just to make positive that my objectivity wasn't being fucked with (something I did not do with people I didn't talk to). Is there a correlation in other cases? Possibly, no idea. I just know what measures I, myself, took. And it was usually Oryx I'd talk to and ask to watch the person in question for a week or two before asking a final opinion from someone who didn't know them outside the game. Then, I've always been of the mindset that people should be trusted to play whatever they want to play, and have options removed as they use them to grief or abuse others, showing they can't be trusted with them.
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Post by sirra on Dec 14, 2014 22:04:43 GMT -5
I heard earned all my karma before anyone put any sort of specific guidelines for how to earn karma. I was a good player who strived at good roleplaying in a time where lots of people didn't give a fuck. I don't think new generations of staff members should be able to make up rules that remove karma from players they don't like and give it to players they do. If this happens every shifting of the guard, it gets fucking old. Taking something away from someone because they don't want to communicate with staff members who probably don't give a shit about what they have to say anyway is absurd. If you earn something, you should be able to keep it until you are abusing it. What's really happening is that they only want players who are their favorites to have it and will look for any reason to take it away from older players because I guess they believe the judgment of older imms is worthless of something. I earned my karma through being a good player, not by being forced to send weekly emails to some asshole who I don't even like and who is a hack writer. I mean, what the fuck. Oh yeah, another good way to get karma on Armageddon. Whenever some fan fiction is posted, rave on about how GREAT it is on the forums. And how it's totally not derivative shit! |
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Post by jkarr on Dec 14, 2014 22:09:03 GMT -5
Specifically, I mean Nyr. I think there are staff members on Arm who are far from hack writers, but that hardly seems to matter when they are basically just acting as middle men for Nyr. Not it a good situation in Armageddon. no im following u i didnt think u meant other staff |
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Post by sirra on Dec 14, 2014 22:11:21 GMT -5
It's easier if the girl in charge of it is someone Nyr has a hardon for, but I wouldn't blame the girl for it, persay. Girls who Nyr gets a hardon for always have it easy on the game. Heck, I know someone who is pretty nice, and who I know has a good 'relationship' with Nyr. This player - no offense to them, I've said it to them myself quite a few times - can be a real spaz. He/She's been given multiple, incredible special apps...In the brief time I was tracking them, there was a fire mage with warrior skills, and a mutant with mul stats. And they died in like 2 days playtime. Usually owing to impatience or boredom, it seemed. Went through one character after another. Has still pretty much gotten every special app he/she ever applied for (or so it seems). And keep in mind, I LIKE this person. I think they're very nice, OOCly, and their characters are often amusing ICly. But man, he/she, strokes Nyr's ego and gets well rewarded for it. I was always boggled by their special apps, and have told them so. A few things. 1.) this was me. I didn't have a good relationship at the time with Nyr. I didn't know him much or play in his clans that I can recall. The staff that liked me or setup my specapps back then were Belenos, Shalooooonsh, Mekeda. 2.) None of my specapps were more powerful than today's extended subguilds, looking at them nowadays in hindsight. I did have a Krathi with guard subguild, plus disarm. I think piercing weapons, too. No parry. That might amount to an extended subguild nowadays. 3.) I was actually really disliked after a period of a couple of years by staff overall. I got karma wiped. I staff complainted a couple times. I got over myself. Some staff like me nowadays I guess. 4.) I like to think through reasonable communication with staff over a period of time and good behavior that I'm considered a "good" player now. I know some staff don't like to personally deal with me cause reasons. That's okay. You know I like you sids, and I went to deliberate length not to point a finger at you, and the examples I used were six years old. I think you're a good RPer. You didn't even do anything wrong. You're not a twink, you're not a cheat. You're just incredibly good at buttering staff. But those special apps were incredibly lenient, and way, way better than anything that extended subguilds have ever allowed. Or frankly, most anyone could ever dream of getting approved, let alone ask for. This was around the time they stopped even letting people use the word 'mutant' in their sdesc, and yours had mul stats. It's not your fault that you took advantage of this. It's not like you wormed your way onto staff so as to get whatever you wanted. You just took what was given. Maybe you have a gift for wording special apps. But it also highlights the overall opaque nature of the process, and why some are content, and why some are angry. They say its impartial, but it's basically slanted to who they OOCly know and like. I mean. You mention getting 'disarm' and 'piercing' on a krathi as if it were no big deal. I got denied even asking for bludgeoning on an stone mage, once. Plenty other people have, as well. Not saying you were sucking cock or something, but you are one person for whom the system has worked out pretty well. And a lot of it - to be honest - is that you are a nice person, and I think you go out of your way to establish OOC relationships with them. I don't want to have to skype and be friends with them to get an interesting concept approved. |
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