Staff/Player Transcription leaked by the ALA

nah, there butthurt over leaking ic info long precedes del's wotc post and the punishment hasnt changed either

I'm kind of on the fence about it. In my mind it is super uncool to expose people's current IG shit outside of the game in scenarios like the one lyse just laid out, for that very reason. There are people who will do everything that they can to put themselves into situations that will make them likely to discover that lyse's char is a sorc, or become hyper-suspicious of lyse's PC for bullshit little reasons because they are OOCly aware of something they shouldn't know. And the worst thing is that a lot of these people probably won't even admit to themselves that they're abusing OOC information. Because they're not suddenly coming up with the information that lyse's PC is a sorc out of thin air, they can justify it in their own minds.

How do I know this? Because it's a temptation that I've had before, with OOC knowledge gained from previous characters. It's a fight that I think many of us have when we end up meeting characters that we know damning facts about for whatever reason, but that our PCs wouldn't know. And we have to determine what they could reasonably figure out. It's already a battle we have to fight. I agree that we shouldn't make the problem worse by spreading that kind of current information on our blogs and the like. Some people grossly overestimate their ability to handle OOC information about other characters.

If we're to grant this--and I understand why a person wouldn't, but let's do for just a moment--the question becomes how do we deal with a person who does this, and refuses to stop when warned? Personally, I disagree that banning is the answer. It's too harsh in my opinion for something that didn't actually happen in the game. Staff says karma is, chiefly, the measure of trust that they have in a player. To me, this is a breach of trust. I'd set a player to 0 karma and reject their special apps until they took this shit down and left it down for some time. That is, under the current karma system; I'm not saying it doesn't need changing, but that's a whole different discussion. But banning for something that happened out-of-game? Whether it's this dude or Derelak, I'm not a fan of the practice, unless someone was DDOSing the server or something, of course.

Yeah, banning anyone or even punishing them in any way for posting about any kind of mechanics/recipes/spells/spoilerz is stupid. I'm 100% in agreement with you on that. It's the current IG stuff that can fuck over someone else's character that is iffy as hell IMO. But I hate the idea of banning someone over it just as much as I hate the idea of posting it in the first place.

I am with you on that. And the way he phrased it was as if everyone must agree that it was the most reasonable thing in the world.

other RPIs ask that you refrain from sharing it but admit that they're pretty much powerless to stop it beyond their own borders. plenty of them have more lax attitudes on the matter entirely. Here's Parallel RPI's attitude on it-



note the '30 days' line and being able to post it on the forums.

now I'm not very active in the RPI community, so maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but how many other RPIs out there have taken as hardline of a stance as Arm has on all of this? does staff infiltrating private message boards so that they can punish players happen often on other RPIs? how about reviewing of AIM chat logs? do they permanently ban you from their video game for having a personal blog where you discuss your character?



but at the end of the day, isn't the result still the same? players collaborating and sharing data have a leg up and can roll over on those who don't or don't want to know, which can in turn make things not as fun for them. is this different than what happens in Arm when plots are 'spoiled'? nobody gave two shits when qoriya was spoiling plots thanks to a near omniscient class backed up with NPC bodyguards. so why is it so wrong for players to occasionally talk outside the game then?

i disagree, and here's my reason why.

let's make an example of a pickpocket. he steals a jewel from a tuluki noble, and brags to his IC buddy at the thief bar. over aim, the buddy mentions it to another friend. the thief is brought to justice.

same scenario as above, except the pickpocket never says anything. instead he's just types the command 'think hrm wonder how i'm going to take spend that money from the jewel i stole' and qoriya overhears it and brings him to justice, as has happened to many of her victims.

the end result ultimately happens. the plot ends the same way. except in the first case, it's considered spoiled and therefore regarded as unfair and totally not cool. yet in the second case, it's considered business as usual so we're supposed to accept that welp that's just how the nature of things is and if the game is too harsh for you welp tough luck kid. what difference does it make though if qoriya found out through aim or through the poorly-designed amount of power privileged players were given?

I was thinking about robbing a noble. Just thinking about what it would entail. Musing to myself.

"Step aside with me a sec kk?"

"Yes Faithful Lady"

Instagib.

Point Allanak.