New Accounts and Losing Veterans Over Time.

I think Anaiah must have gone back to all the Weekly Update pages and copied the numbers off them. Here's a sample link:

www.armageddon.org/updates/index.php?week=27&year=2014

Of note the week spans June 30 to July 6, but we have no way to know how many logins happened on June 30 vs. the rest of that week. The same happened to June 1. So getting numbers "for June" is difficult. Meanwhile, staff on the GDB report numbers monthly.

If someone with large amounts of time wanted to go back through all the monthly player numbers posts the staff have posted and grab how many new accounts they reported actually logged in, we would at least know how many "new people"* tried Armageddon that month. This still poses issues though, since we have the problem of the data in different formats; we know unique logins per week, but only new player logins per month. You could probably make some estimates and approximations in order to turn new players per month into a fairly accurate measurement of new players per week, but it would definitely take some work. Even after that, we would still have some issues trying to calculate turnover, though, since we have no way of knowing whether veterans are leaving and new players are replacing them, or if few new players stick around and vets keep playing month over month.

The game is losing players. Because it is gaining players and not retaining all of them. It is also gaining players. It has gained slightly more than it has lost. hence my use of the word "net".

i hope that clears up my meaning. I was disagreeing with the idea Arm isn't losing people but acknowledging that it is gaining slightly more than it is losing over all. It was a complicated response to an oversimplified comment because I was getting into the technical details.

Actually that's exactly what I did. I used the stats from the game's weekly update for weeks 1-52 for all years included.

I'm not assuming that. You are assuming that. I never said that. I said that the numbers are for the total accounts logged in for the week and the total number of new accounts made that week, and since Armageddon itself advertises those numbers, I would assume that accurate or no, those are at least the numbers they want to project. You are reading anything beyond that into what I'm saying. I never said characters playing, I said new accounts logged in versus accounts logged in that are not new. And guess what? I have numbers for that. Literally hundreds. That come straight from Armageddon. I can see how your comparison might be faulty, but that's not the comparison that I am making. I am comparing numbers of people playing the game to what they used to be at a given period. I am comparing numbers of new accounts to what they used to be at a given period. I am taking averages, comparing, and contrasting. I fail to see what is so difficult to comprehend about that.

And no, I am not trying to claim that, I am flat out saying that half the people who played four years ago do not currently. And yes, if you are a rock star with thousands of fans, and half that fanbase decides they like country, just because you find thousands of 'new' fans does not mean you are not losing fans. And yes, it is indeed relevant, as look at how much of the goddamn game depends on veterans or experienced players: from magickers to karma roles to sponsored roles to special races, more than half the game relies on seasoned players. I'd say that's a little bit goddamn relevant at least. Feel free to disagree.

I'm not saying you're losing players in overall numbers. Jesus tapdancing christ. Take what I say for what I say. There are less repeat logins than there were four years ago. There are more new account logins than there were four years ago. There are so many more, in fact, that it skews logins up about 15-20, but since it's 20-30 less people who are making REPEAT logins, no, you are not. You are gaining initial accounts logged in. You are actually down 30 from the number of people logging in at this time in 2010, if you are talking about people who actually log in more than once (aka numbers that are not a new account logging in). On average. Yes, your total logins is higher on average. Because the 1st-time logins have tripled. If the first time logins were reduced to what they were in 2010, you would see the dip in the playerbase. And you YOURSELF are the one saying these one time logins don't constitute new players actually logging in to play a character. Except when they do so you can continue trying to make a point and refute me without ever using your own data to prove mine wrong.