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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2014 17:02:05 GMT -5
They've already said that the removal of the Firestorm is an IC situation. I haven't played in Tuluk since before the volcano HRPT so I don't know what the IC situation is. But supposedly there is one.
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Post by Jeshin on May 11, 2014 17:05:02 GMT -5
Staff makes OOC changes for OOC reasons (good or bad) and implement them.
Staff makes OOC changes for OOC reasons (good or bad) and animates an NPC a few times to generate IC justification and implements them.
^ just because the staff claim it's IC doesn't mean it isn't some thinly veiled excuse.
Now, if there is some kind of sekrit IC plot in Tuluk (I'd believe it) which leads to the Firestorm being lost in the shuffle. Then I fully retract the statement, applaud staff for throwing a bone to someone, and encourage them to expand their tie-in plotlines to the whole city and not just a few.
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Post by BitterFlashback on May 11, 2014 17:45:45 GMT -5
Either Tiernan has the thinnest skin in the world or he's reading the posts here because I didn't see anything close to being described as 'vitriol' in that thread, much less piles of it to sift through. I'm actually surprised about that myself. It's been over a decade since I interacted with Tiernan but he made it onto my "good person" list. not a lot of staffers from back then did. i have to wonder if maybe he genuinely is blind to what the problems in Tuluk are. It's like he's spent months working on the radiator system and the brakes, put in a whole new suspension, and changed out the tires, and he's upset the car's not working. We kept trying to tell him his inbred, waterbrained nephew Nyr tore out the transmission but we've all been chased off. And for some reason he refuses to look at the gaping hole next to the engine himself. He's gotta know his nephew's not right; why keep taking mechanical advice from him?
As an aside, if staff are sensitive to criticism. Maybe they should have thrown some token plots to players to ICly effect these changes so they'd have a scapegoat for all this "rage" and "vitrol" that the GDB has brought upon them? Players wouldn't be able to complain if it was their actions which led to the changes (even if they were preplanned to begin with). I totally agree with player involvement. though this would totally wind up being a railroad unless they could impact what stayed and what went. The problem is Nyr's response to all the problems (most of which he caused) in Tuluk is to make meaningless changes. Nyr: Now theres only one templarate. Now they have new uniforms. did you hear about the new uniforms? They have new uniforms! Hey, here's more on the new uniforms you'll all get to see if you play in Tuluk! Also there's lipstick on this pig. Next we're closing down the tavern in the Tribal. Oh, and the Arena's gone virtual. Players: Can we do anything without months of delays waiting for staff approval? Nyr: NO YOU FUCKING INGRATES WE'RE UNPAID VOLUNTEERS! UR BANND WTFLOLBBQ |
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Post by jkarr on May 11, 2014 20:23:29 GMT -5
As an aside, if staff are sensitive to criticism. Maybe they should have thrown some token plots to players to ICly effect these changes so they'd have a scapegoat for all this "rage" and "vitrol" that the GDB has brought upon them? because after it occurred the bitching would just morph into, 'hay it was all railroaded fuck the imms." the whole 'giving the illusion of control' idea only throws salt into the wounds of players at having been deliberately fooled on top of not being able to affect the outcome |
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Post by lulz on May 11, 2014 21:05:26 GMT -5
The Firestorm reaction was part of the reason we put up a post more than a week in advance of the mapping and the tavern change. That way if you are really annoyed by something that isn't clearly defined you can go ahead and get it out of your system. That is one of my favorite Nyr quotes ever. "We're telling you early so you can 'get it out of your system', because we're not really interested in your feedback. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2014 21:24:14 GMT -5
The Firestorm reaction was part of the reason we put up a post more than a week in advance of the mapping and the tavern change. That way if you are really annoyed by something that isn't clearly defined you can go ahead and get it out of your system. That is one of my favorite Nyr quotes ever. "We're telling you early so you can 'get it out of your system', because we're not really interested in your feedback. Yep. Glad I'm not the only one who caught that, either. That's the only real reason why I even have issue with any of the changes, it is because it is so very clearly made out that no one upstairs gives a hot turd what the players think when it's players, not staff, that are the lifeblood of the game. |
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Post by MartenBroadcloak on May 11, 2014 22:37:29 GMT -5
Get it out of our systems...
My God it sounds like he's addressing a two year old that's had too much candy.
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Post by somedude on May 11, 2014 22:49:23 GMT -5
This is our sandbox, you're just here to watch and take what we give you.
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Post by MartenBroadcloak on May 12, 2014 2:46:56 GMT -5
This is our sandbox, you're just here to watch and take what we give you. *Pees all up in the sandbox* RETCON THAT! |
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Post by RogueCumSlinger on May 12, 2014 8:30:32 GMT -5
There have been multiple posts regarding the Firestorm on the in-game Tuluk boards in the past couple of months, some that make no sense and that are mysterious and undoubtedly can be connected to some kind of plot. It's obvious that some people know about it while a majority are clueless. All within the 5 people who play in Tuluk.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 8:47:16 GMT -5
There have been multiple posts regarding the Firestorm on the in-game Tuluk boards in the past couple of months, some that make no sense and that are mysterious and undoubtedly can be connected to some kind of plot. It's obvious that some people know about it while a majority are clueless. All within the 5 people who play in Tuluk. Weird. Can someone with access post them? I'm all curious now. >.< |
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Post by Jeshin on May 12, 2014 8:48:15 GMT -5
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Post by diamondsedge on Jul 17, 2014 21:13:19 GMT -5
There have been multiple posts regarding the Firestorm on the in-game Tuluk boards in the past couple of months, some that make no sense and that are mysterious and undoubtedly can be connected to some kind of plot. It's obvious that some people know about it while a majority are clueless. All within the 5 people who play in Tuluk.
This reminds me of a Universe poster I saw once. It had an arrow pointing at a distant arm of the Milky Way Spiral with the caption, "You are here." Followed by another arrow pointing at the center of the Milky Way with the caption, "All the cool stuff."
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Post by yoashi on Jul 18, 2014 11:58:21 GMT -5
Well, it can't really be a coincidence that during a whole "Tuluki Shrinkinator" event, removing taverns and trying to consolidate, changing around the entire structure of the citystate, changing Templarate, NPC pathing, removing whole sections... that people don't want to play there.
I mean. They had a commoner Shadow Artist kill likely the most powerful Jihaen Templar currently around, in a "show of force". Or, to put it bluntly, "Please use shadow artists, they could even kill a Templar! (provided you follow an exact set of unposted and not-talked about rules that involve never telling anyone what you're doing)".
I still play in Tuluk, because there are aspects I like about it, and its really challenging for me, but I can definitely see how people avoid it on the simple fact that "Nyr keeps changing shit". I honestly, in interactions I've had from Nyr and/or heard from other people, can see him changing the docs, not telling someone, then storing them for not following the docs as set forth.
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Post by jcarter on Jul 18, 2014 13:06:57 GMT -5
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