Reuniting with ARM staff

There's absolutely no way you'll get a reasonable conversation with Nyr if you expect him to make any kind of concession whatsoever. He has shown time and time again that the merest hint of criticism or suggestion that everything isn't perfect brings out the hostile totalitarian ruler in him. I'd be glad to be proven wrong, but I have never witnessed him budge an inch when faced with anything short of praise. He is incapable of acknowledging that he could be responsible for something that is wrong, which is the main reason the game has become so shit. He's a quasi-narcissistic power junkie, you won't get an open dialogue.

It may be possible for people to get unbanned on the basis of his perception of them "coming crawling back," which he will use to claim that he was right but willing to allow them back in on his conditions, probably including relegation to second-rate players (no karma, no admin assistance, etc.) Any actual changes to the game are an exercise in futility as he would see it as an admission of imperfection on his part. He's not a person who will ever accept that he could be wrong about something significant, he will at best agree to a minor compromise on some pretense of grace. Such a compromise would not extend to changes to the game that he doesn't agree to and hasn't suggested himself. People can get unbanned if they grovel, that's as much as you'll get out of him.

jjhardy

i'm not trying to flame you or punk you out but what's the deal man, one day you're talking about executing dictators and kicking out nyr and the next you want to sit down and write an internet treaty of versailles

What if some well-meaning persons ask how much it would cost to purchase the rights to own ARM, do you think it would be worthwhile?

You can't buy Armageddonmud. The copyright license of the code forbids it. They don't own the codebase, so they aren't able to sell it to you.

I think part of the core backbone of why these boards are so populated and rather unique as situations with established RPIs go in that there are more members of this board than there are regular armageddon players is that many people are in agreement that there is something deeply flawed and deeply wrong with something they care, soul-deep, about, and that they are not willing to just let it go, and that many of them have had such horrible problems with nyr (or staff policies, or Adhira) that they are willing to risk losing that thing altogether (in some cases willingly giving that thing up) to act as a voice of dissent, and as such, without any actual and meaningful changes, esp demotion or firing of Nyr as one possible one, 'crawling back' or 'joining them' as you put them, is not worth it. Your last sentence presupposes there are only two options: beat them or join them. When there are a large quantity of people here who have opted for number three: walk the fuck away from the game itself because you can't beat them on your own but damned if you can tolerate joining them with the state that things are currently in.

I got banned for mentioning this board on multiple discussions on the GDB. IIRC, I had a bunch of windows opened and posted and bobbed and weaved like old skool Tyson.

Player and Staff conversations happen. I would say once every two years? Which is a pretty common thing. If I recall correctly, the last one was even held on Teamspeak, or some variation of it that I've forgotten. Nobody mentioned Nyr during that meeting. In fact, the whole meeting went relatively uneventful, mostly already known things rementioned and regurgitated. Direct Player and Staff conversations, in my opinion, do not work.

But this whole forum is one giant conversation with the Imms. They imms and the players read these forums. The popularity of these forums have increased to such a point that if I hear a player say he doesnt know about them, I will be completely and absolutely certain he's not only a lurker, but probably an active participant.

In other words, conversation is already open. We know what they say. They know what we say. It is in our power to decide how to play, or whether to play at all. It is in our power to decide how to speak or whether to speak at all. It is in their power to do ... everything else.

There is no need for direct real time conversation. Many of us dont even really know exactly what is it that we want from staff. I think in an another topic, I've asked for suggestions and different people posted points that were opposite of each other. Cant please everybody. And that's normal. The only "wrong" way that an objective person can be aware of is one that proved itself to not work for years and has an alternative that 'might' possibly work better.

There are people on these forums who will not accept "anything" except total concession. There are people on the staff who will not accept any conclusion except the one they participated in forming. That's alright. Let them form their own conclusions. I am pretty certain they will be forming them, keeping what they read on "these" forums in mind. For better, or worse.

And that type of conversation "does" work. It even works on GDB, if you recall a total outcry during the rape ruling. It made the Imms reevaluate and rewrite the rule. These forums just have an option of similar outcries across a whole series of topics and in ways that if done carefully, hold no negative or positive effects on player's accounts. Unlike GDB.


Any amnesty of people who were banned within the last two years will not work. What exactly will it achieve? Allow those players back in the game? Okey. They're back. They could've returned with a different IP, but no matter, they're back with their normal IPs. Now what? Their Karma is low, nobody trusts them. Nobody likes them.

Even if Imms are neutral towards them, the player will not be able to stop suspecting that anything bad happening to their characters was caused by a vangeful imm. Walked in on a spider roving band? Imms loaded them. Backstabbed a rinthi npc and had 6 other NPCs come out of hiding and assist? Imm animation. That Bahamet 2 leagues away walked right towards you, while you were resting at 0 stam? Imm moved it. Could be true, probably not. But there will always be suspicion.

Works other way as well. They'll be watched like hawks. Shit that other people, including imm and legend played do on a regular basis, is found too twinky. Even if there are no negative notes placed, the imms would talk and talk about twinkiness amidst each other, until they rile themselves negatively to a point where "nothing" you do, is considered good. Imms are people too. People are assholes.

Amnesty of +2 years is a little easier. Time cures all. And any butthurt Imm who thought ill of you during banning, probably switched to some other player to be butthurt about. But there was an amnesty less then two years ago already. So amnesty stuff is in my opinion, an empty gesture.