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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 12:47:59 GMT -5
When I read these boards, my impression is that people are venting, rather than trying to be effective at sharing information. Neither of these are positive or negative, but rather revealing some ugly base motivations.
Despite my goal driven impulses, I'm not the kind of player who excels at making legendary arm pcs. I don't tolerate periods of socialization or boredom as well as some, and I don't play precisely enough in the permadeath environment. What I am good at is research. Arm is not the only game this pattern has held true for me.
Three times in previous games I've found recruited a half dozen hardcore players who play with more goal based drive and precision than I can. Some of them will drop away. Some of them won't quite succeed, but will supply invaluable map and mechanics data with characters I tend to fail at. Some of them will be capable of building monstrously powerful pcs, and driving plotlines that I simply can't.
The commonality of these players is that they arent as good at research. Again, this is not good or bad. Neither they, nor I, will really understand purely social players, and time and again, this will be the point I've been able to recruit people on. An us vs them attitude is plain... Arm is just one of the few games where the social players have enough of a backing in the admins to be competitive.
Once you get one or two researchers together with a half dozen goal driven players, its very possible to break a game. Regardless of how character growth is achieved, the end result is characters who are multiplicatively more powerful, and with a much faster rate of growth to that power level.
Whether this sounds like a good idea to you, this point is exactly problem I am writing to illustrate.
People on this board aren't sharing the really effective secrets. There is a proven, repeatable away to get a pc to advanced weapon skills on ny of the three combat class pcs in 7d played. No one is sharing the harvest points for heramide, or the brew formula for methelinoc poison.
Blowing off steam isnt bad, but my argument is that many posters here just want to slap an imm or two in response for being denied access to their addictions. Hey, I get it. I'm an addict too.
With this said, is your goal to break the game? Is it to find a welcoming social group of likeminded people since the GDB is clearly populated by a very different mentality of participant? Is it to grief the current admin staff? To find a next game to get into? Something else?
Inquiring rabbits want to know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 13:00:50 GMT -5
Heramide harvest points were mentioned actually. Some, and I'd like to put myself in that section, only share the secrets that most veteran players learned via the many characters they went through, just to even it out between newbie players and veteran players. Or to share something for people who think that nothing is going on, to actually find out that hey ... lots of shit is happening.
Finding out methods to quickly rise up in power will not break armageddon. You can skill up your warrior 10 times quicker then anyone else, but it will take you months to raise up off/def. And you will still be capable of dying to an 3 day Krathi with demonfire. Arm's guilds are not balanced and never ment to be balanced. Everybody die, no matter how powerful.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 13:04:32 GMT -5
Heramide harvest points were mentioned actually. Some, and I'd like to put myself in that section, only share the secrets that most veteran players learned via the many characters they went through, just to even it out between newbie players and veteran players. Or to share something for people who think that nothing is going on, to actually find out that hey ... lots of shit is happening. Finding out methods to quickly rise up in power will not break armageddon. You can skill up your warrior 10 times quicker then anyone else, but it will take you months to raise up off/def. And you will still be capable of dying to an 3 day Krathi with demonfire. Arm's guilds are not balanced and never ment to be balanced. Everybody die, no matter how powerful. Your answer then, is that you are here to construct an elite clique to participate in, similar to the obvious one that exists in Arm currently?
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Post by jcarter on Feb 17, 2014 13:04:51 GMT -5
With this said, is your goal to break the game? Is it to find a welcoming social group of likeminded people since the GDB is clearly populated by a very different mentality of participant? Is it to grief the current admin staff? To find a next game to get into? Something else? Inquiring rabbits want to know. These boards are taken in the direction that the userbase desires, with a couple of constraints. If people want to do any of those things they are entirely able to and I'm willing to facilitate it here. There is no singular purpose, and looking at the board you can see it's a combination of all of those things. You have players posting the best way to skill up, people discussing other RPIs, information on where to harvest mon level kruth components, etc. There's a lot of niche info that people forget to drop when they're doing dumps. If players want the info on how to brew methelinoc they can easily post a thread asking for it. I don't think that information is necessarily being withheld so much as people are overlooking posting it.
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Post by themountaingoat on Feb 17, 2014 13:09:33 GMT -5
Your second guess is probably true for 90% of the people posting here.
While there's no doubt a group of players (or ex-players) here with an axe to grind (Delerak), I'd wager that the vast majority of people posting here are just looking for an unfettered conversation about the game they either love or used to love.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 15:32:14 GMT -5
Heramide harvest points were mentioned actually. Some, and I'd like to put myself in that section, only share the secrets that most veteran players learned via the many characters they went through, just to even it out between newbie players and veteran players. Or to share something for people who think that nothing is going on, to actually find out that hey ... lots of shit is happening. Finding out methods to quickly rise up in power will not break armageddon. You can skill up your warrior 10 times quicker then anyone else, but it will take you months to raise up off/def. And you will still be capable of dying to an 3 day Krathi with demonfire. Arm's guilds are not balanced and never ment to be balanced. Everybody die, no matter how powerful. Your answer then, is that you are here to construct an elite clique to participate in, similar to the obvious one that exists in Arm currently? I seriously had to reread my post a few times just to completely confirm that I did not write it somehow strange. Has anyone else understood my answer the same way as Vorpalbunny? I'm flabbergasted. Dude. One important aspect of research and analysis is being objective and knowing how not to skew data to fit in your own predisposition.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 16:25:56 GMT -5
I'm surprised anyone read my initial post as anything other than inflammatory. Today my point isnt to gather research, but provoke change. I have a pretty good idea how this population group is composed of playstyle groups.
That said, the logic was:
If the point is to come together and be a group an expert in a group reinforces at least one player personality type, or playstyle I read your comment as being an expert for two reasons. You would like to reinforce the experience of the group You would like to allow these likeminded people to do the cool, fun stuff. This will result in a social group who self selects, and is more capable than the rest This is where the inflammatory part comes in. I define the previous group as inherently an "elite", especially because of what the members will be capable of with access to this knowledge.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 17:10:31 GMT -5
Your second guess is probably true for 90% of the people posting here. While there's no doubt a group of players (or ex-players) here with an axe to grind (Delerak), I'd wager that the vast majority of people posting here are just looking for an unfettered conversation about the game they either love or used to love. I'm with TMG here, I'm here just looking for unfettered conversation about the game. I was very angry (and very drunk) for the first couple hours after I started posting, but really after the drunkenness wore off and I got the ban email, it just turned to apathy.
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Post by Lizzie on Feb 17, 2014 17:38:43 GMT -5
I'm here to learn, and I primarily want to learn: A) Stuff that would normally take me a vast amount of characters to learn. (ie. stuff the veterans know) and B) The secrets that even some veterans aren't aware of: Such as, how to get advanced weapon skill in under 7 days, or where heramide spawns.
Over all, I think the forum has provided that information fairly well thus far. There's still some information I'm lacking, and when it comes up, I'll ask about it.
I also enjoy hearing stories of crazy things that happened in the past, and silently wondering if there's still any chance of participating in something like that in-game. I get the feeling that chance is nil, but the possibility of someday getting into an elkrosian vs ranger duel in the tablelands, as a massive thunderstorm rolls around us...or something, is what keeps me interested in the game to want to learn those things.
And, hell-- Staff has never treated me poorly. Even Nyr, apparently the worst offender for some of you, hasn't been rude to me or anything and on occasion he's actually been rather nice. I don't have an axe to grind, save for with, perhaps, the culture of preventing new players from learning anything of value.
I wouldn't mind constructing an elite clique to challenge the one that exists in-game. It might be fun, if it could be gotten away with.
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Post by dcdc on Feb 17, 2014 23:47:19 GMT -5
These forums have proven to a be an invaluable tool for me. Also a look into sides of Arm I never ever, seem to get to see.
Maybe I'm not a good role player... but also, I think its because I'm sometimes too much of a good role player.
See from my end of things, it often feels (mostly from the GDB) that there is this air of elitism that surrounds most the vetted players. New players, when discovered, are often treated like special children... and oh nothing ends a scene more then screwing up an emote or something. These "elites" seem to be annoyed by most newbies, like how dare a new person join into THEIR game and dare try to ROLE PLAY. I feel at times all new players are to either go straight to the Byn or just be some back ground character... no better then vnpc's.
Also no one has patience for you, to figure out an emote, to work out your characters reaction. To teach or bother with you at all, they almost out right refuse. Not for in character motivations, but clearly OOC motivated, you're new, and therefore... uninteresting, soon to die, and worthless to them.
They don't care about bringing people into the fold, or sharing their joy with others... its something only for them, and their close knit OOC friends they always some how... play with no matter how unrealistic it is.
Now this isn't every player, I've had some actually seem to be more engaged with me, not sure if they wanted to help some one out, or if they actually dug I was doing something different. Still don't know, but I for sure was cut out of plots for not knowing (super secret location number 2, that every 100 pc players know) or having issues with a obscure syntax you haven't used in literal YEARS, or just being found out to either not very experience or new. I can't give specific examples, but it did make me leave part of a the game world, and I still don't think I'll ever try to play in THAT area again.
Oh I hate the GDB's "Find out IC" XD especially when its simple stuff, or something needed to make a character work... Its like they've create this strange role play toll road that only after serving up fresh f-me's and throwaways for a year you're allowed entrance.
And even then, for all their well typed, flowery emotes, and all that jazz... all their characters fall flat... one dimensional, shallow characters, with one weak gimmick (secret magicker, really a half-elf, etc) but you never see it in they way the speak, or act, or anything. All those things have these strange OOC motivations surrounding them. Like they more concerned about driving some plot, then actually being the character. Their only IN character when they communicate... they aren't actually playing that character. They don't allow them selves to struggle, to fail, or to do much of anything interesting. Yet these "characters" seem to get the fav's, cause they help rail road the plots, they don't act human (or I guess in a fantasy setting "A person") they act like machines, machines that occasionally talk with a funny accent.
Jesus christ I got off topic and ranted.... wait why am I posting this?
Yes, I start browsing the site, cause I wanted a look into a side of Arm I only ever got bits and pieces of. Then I signed up to get some logs Then I started seeing some the code stuff, realizing that all that (Find out IC) was just a bunch of bullshit, and EVERYONE twinks their way into the plots. Other wise, you'll just always just greb and tavern sit.
Which honestly pissed me off, after years of on and off playing, because I for the longest time always tried to play by the rules, find out that maybe a solid 90% of the GDB "Find out IC DERP!" was really just a way to make more throwaway back ground PC's for their uber staff favorite characters to romp on.
Ok rant off (bad night)
I just wanted to add:
Some character deaths I've been given, are straight up brilliant, sometimes my favorite times.
Maybe they preyed on me cause I was new, but they made the experience memorable, its better then the assholes who just act like you don't exist.
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Post by lyse on Feb 18, 2014 1:14:22 GMT -5
I'll take a stab at this as my first post. I'm not out to break the game or join a clique, actually I found this board by accident. I've played off and on for a long time, we're talking way back to when Thanos the dwarf was active..that long ago, that's when I started. I've always played purely for fun, never tried to change the world, sometimes wrote up a character without an idea of what I was even trying to do. Never had a truly bad experience with a staffer, though I have been there when someone else did.
With that being said, I think there are a lot of players like me, who just play the game without any real idea of what the game is or how it works. So I wouldn't say that no real information is being shared. Just from poking around today, I learned a lot that will help me enjoy the game much more and not necessarily in a twinky way. I'm sure there are people that are just here to know something they simply did not know. Honestly, all of the "super sekret" stuff I read has been underwhelming.
I think I know where the original post is going: why don't we band together and promote those changes? One of the things I'm getting from what I read here is you really can't. It doesn't matter how much you know about the inner workings of the game, if it doesn't jibe with whoever is running the game or your clan or whatever it's just not going to happen. That's the part of me that is a little saddened by some of what I've read here, but the hopeful part of me feels that with some of the new knowledge I have, I can do something that I couldn't before. If I can't.....well then I'll probably stop playing again.
At the end of the day a lot of this stuff isn't game breaking knowledge, this is true. But it's knowledge that kind of makes me want a little more change and to be a little more active (and longer lived) to actually do it. Maybe that's why it's not out there like that?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 1:46:57 GMT -5
If these forums will result in a creation of such a clique, then the reasoning behind the staff ban on ooc communication of this sort is entirely justified.
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Post by lyse on Feb 18, 2014 9:13:22 GMT -5
I just want to add, I don't think anybody is going to clique up and start abusing the game in horrendous ways.
At the same time, I want to share something I think is a little depressing: while I find a lot of information here helpful, in many ways it's also a little depressing. By that I mean, here I am being Ms. Goody-two shoes, trying to just work hard at RPing my way to a strong character and getting nothing for it. Like, zero gains meanwhile someone who barely emotes, and spams bash is quickly surpassing me even though I have a couple of days more playing time than them. Well that's just wrong and weird, because it flies in the face of things talked about on the gdb, like rp is rewarded and twinking is punished. It explains why many times good players just kind of disappear. In the long run it seems, the twinky player is going to be rewarded with more simply because they suck less than you as far as the code goes.
So no, no evil plans to take over the world here, just to make the game more enjoyable for ME.
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Post by jcarter on Feb 18, 2014 11:20:26 GMT -5
I just want to add, I don't think anybody is going to clique up and start abusing the game in horrendous ways. At the same time, I want to share something I think is a little depressing: while I find a lot of information here helpful, in many ways it's also a little depressing. By that I mean, here I am being Ms. Goody-two shoes, trying to just work hard at RPing my way to a strong character and getting nothing for it. Like, zero gains meanwhile someone who barely emotes, and spams bash is quickly surpassing me even though I have a couple of days more playing time than them. Well that's just wrong and weird, because it flies in the face of things talked about on the gdb, like rp is rewarded and twinking is punished. It explains why many times good players just kind of disappear. In the long run it seems, the twinky player is going to be rewarded with more simply because they suck less than you as far as the code goes. So no, no evil plans to take over the world here, just to make the game more enjoyable for ME. I think most people kind of hit that wall. What's preached and what's practiced are two very different things. I've said it elsewhere on these boards but just play whatever way is fun to you. If you don't want to emote shoveling poop in the Byn for the 50 millionth time then just go and log off and do something else. Not wanting to play out the same scene a million times doesn't make you a bad player.
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Post by armageddonouttahere on Feb 18, 2014 23:51:13 GMT -5
I come here because I have negative feelings about certain elements of the staff, and it was interesting to get an insider's (Anaiah's) perspective on their workings. I steer clear of code discussion and spoilers, and have no intention to 'break' the game, since I still very much love it.
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