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Post by nyrlicious on Oct 16, 2013 15:52:26 GMT -5
I may be wrong about him building it then but that is what I heard. I know for a fact he did a lot of the magick stuff around this time for his avatar and the guys hanging out with him as storm lord told me directly that halaster would email him the syntax for all the shit they were getting into. Delerak, I've always sort of seen you as a double edged sword for the game. On the one hand, you represent an ideal contrast to the staff, who have had a history of abuse (and who respond with apathy, or worse, when it's been pointed out). There have been many occasions, both when I was on staff and as a player, where I watched you and quietly cheered you on, hoping you'd succeed in whatever mischief you were up to at the time. The system, like any system, even honest ones, needs those people who still stand up against it, question it, and try to subvert it. That's the half of you which I respect and admire. Sadly, your other half is fueled by immaturity and ignorance. You pepper your strongly worded opinions with vulgarity and anger and base what you have to say, very often, on a lack of information, rather than on information. You should avoid badmouthing those aspects of the game which you are unfamiliar with (such as the castle discussion above), because a) it worsens your case and b) it makes me wonder if anything you're saying here is true. Try putting some thought and carefully worded criticism into your posts and you'll have a powerful, believable argument for a change. Until then, you just come across as the same teenage rebel I knew you to be when you first started playing. I don't expect this to matter to you, but I'll say it anyway. The one thing I always wanted to see from you, back at a time when I played regularly and cared immensely for the game, was for you to take things even a little seriously. Not for the sake of the staff watching down upon you, if anything in spite of them. I mean for yourself. I wanted to see you immerse yourself in a character, to treasure that character like he was an actual, living human (or non-human) being. I wanted to see you be a part of the game world instead of yet another indie trouble maker who can't be a part of anything other than his own selfish, very short-lived goals. Join a clan, or don't join a clan but be part of a cause, and show you have the maturity and dedication to stick with the role longer than a week, when boredom strikes and you search for cheap, quick, suicidal entertainment. You learned a lot about the mechanics of the game in your earlier days through this style of play and it's served you well enough to make you very knowledgeable from a code-based standpoint. Now use that knowledge to improve the game world itself by actively taking a part of it. It has nothing to do with the staff, many of whom are childish and incapable of self-criticism and of growth. Do it for yourself and for the game. You have an opportunity to offer something to the rest of us, but until you do that you haven't gone anywhere from the original Delerak I knew many, many moons ago. |
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Post by lulz on Oct 16, 2013 20:42:23 GMT -5
Halaster did not create the castle for his buddies, that was there back when the Byn did a mission up there and got slaughtered by a defiler if I remember.
Halaster WAS a dick, though. He created lightning spear for the sole purpose of killing my templar. He also spam hands of winded me through blade barrier. Very classy, that guy.
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Post by delerak on Oct 16, 2013 20:58:34 GMT -5
Don't really know what to say here. Kind of caught off guard. Thanks though. You're probably right on some things. I do joke around a lot. I have a very sarcastic personality. I can't help that. The castle discussion to me isn't a big thing. Even if it wasn't "built" by Halaster it was populated by him. The fact that a defiler that wiped out an entire Byn unit just disappeared is suspect too. I guess I've developed a very paranoid thought process about Arm. I can't help that either. I don't want to be paranoid but it's hard not to think that the staff isn't out to get you when you've been burned countless times by them (and rightfully in some cases). As for what I say is true, that is up for you to decide. The problem about a lot of talk here is that it's hard to find the facts when very rarely do people log everything that happens between them and staff. Most times people have only their human memories to go off which is a very flawed way to get at what really happens. It is extremely unfortunate that my memory of Arm is one that leaves the taste of ash in my mouth. I really really had a deep seeded hatred for several staffers back in the day and I am ashamed of that. Not sure who this but I have to agree with you man. I grew a lot over the years but the problem is by the time I had the chance to really make a change I was blacklisted and banned for life. It's hard to really grow when you're shunned by the community and basically told you're some kind of monster trying to destroy a game that you love. I would reconcile in a heartbeat if the staff had any humanity left to actually forgive me. Forgiveness is all I ever wanted but never got it from anyone except Sanvean in a few instances. How many times can I apologize for shit that I did? I made a huge effort to change my life around at Arm but the staff just wouldn't have it, they wanted to see me fail. Ironically enough I had some very long lived characters that nobody ever knows I played which is fine by me. I don't mind being anonymous nowadays. I remember how I looked for recognition long ago, telling people over aim who I played etc. I just don't need that anymore. Thanks for your post though to be honest it gave me some serious feels.  |
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Post by Hardboiled on Oct 16, 2013 21:27:27 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 22:15:40 GMT -5
My hat is off for Nyrlicious. Well Done.
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Post by nyrlicious on Oct 17, 2013 7:20:55 GMT -5
I say these things because I genuinely want to see this website prosper. I think this board is exactly what the MUD has long needed: uncensored and anonymous criticism where none of the powers that be can do anything about it other than to tune us out or to listen. In most developed countries of the world today, citizens can slam their own leaders without fear of reprisal. In America, for example, you can make a website entirely devoted to criticizing the president and no one, not even the president himself can stop you. Even when tampered with or downright falsified, opinion polls in the media generally show a fairly accurate picture of where large percentages of the population stand. This is exactly the sort of remedy which Armageddon desperately needs. If all I ever knew about Nyr, for example, was purely based on his GDB posts and nothing else, I'd still dislike him. Scroll through some of his posts and you'll see just how rude, unprofessional and downright petty he can be. But as another poster pointed out recently, he has been behaving a little better lately. You can't tell me that the staff don't read every single post on here. Without question they do. Every single one. And you can't tell me they aren't in some way, however large or small, affected by the individual criticisms aimed at some of them. It really is having an impact. And whether they want to admit it or not, you posters here are the reason. So congratulations and please don't stop fighting. Every authority figure in the world requires a watch dog to help keep them in line. Be that watch dog. Take a look at what Edward Snowden and Wikileaks have accomplished. On the one hand, the US openly condemns them and will go to great lengths to stop them or anyone seen helping them (sound familiar?) On the other hand, they have to play their game more carefully and are altering their behavior as a result. People do things they wouldn't normally do when they think no one is watching. They pick their noses and fling their boogers into shadowy corners of the room, they lie, they cheat. The staff cheat less than they once did because in earlier years they actually thought the players were too dumb to notice. Okay, well, actually some of them just didn't care what you thought in the first place. But I don't think staffers like Halaster or Bhagharva would have been quite so blunt about their actions if posters on this website saying the things about them now had had the chance to voice those opinions back when it mattered. I really don't. I'm not saying they wouldn't have cheated. But they would have played more carefully, been more discreet with their actions, and the end result amounts to less cheating. Hey, less cheating. Well, that's definitely a step in the right direction, wouldn't you say?
This is why I said what I did in my earlier post about you, Delerak. Because I want to see this website serve as an intelligent outlet for players who may see things differently than some of the MUD's administrators do (and at times it accomplishes this). I don't want to see this website deteriorate into childish rants where posters can't even have the courtesy to proofread what they've written and whose opinions therefore just come across as small (which, on other occasions, it accomplishes this as well). Understand, I'm not badmouthing anyone here. I'm suggesting putting a little more thought into what is being said and ensuring that the facts are facts.
Very few of us would post here who don't play or at least have intentions of returning to play at some point. Though I haven't logged in myself in quite some time and want to say things like "I don't play here anymore", the fact is I've just written paragraph upon paragraph about this MUD, so I'd be lying even to myself if I said that. And for those with a bad reputation staff side, in this day and age there's very little anyone can do to stop you from playing. The very fact that anyone is banned from the MUD is quite amusing, given how many ways there are to circumvent a site ban. And to use an earlier example, if the US government can't stop Wikileaks, then the staff sure as shit can't stop you from playing. You just gotta be careful about it. |
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Post by lulz on Oct 17, 2013 22:46:47 GMT -5
Bra-fucking-vo
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Post by delerak on Oct 17, 2013 22:52:14 GMT -5
Fuck. Dyrinis? Azroen?! I MUST KNOW.
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Post by jjhardy on Oct 22, 2013 8:41:35 GMT -5
If the staff wants the mud to really succeed, they should:
1. With no strings attached, allow everyone to come back and play the game.
2. Set rules that are fair to everyone and then if violated, they can make changes.
3. Stop forcing people to do things they don't want to do.
4. Stop pushing the RP to where they want it and instead allow nature to take its course.
5. Chill and relax.
just my $0.02
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Post by delerak on Oct 22, 2013 8:47:45 GMT -5
1. With no strings attached, allow everyone to come back and play the game.
This will never happen. The ban amnesty post by Nyr was a fucking joke. I mean I read the thing and just had this urge to shake Nyr and whoever else. Do you actually want veteran players that are burned to come back? You're posting a Ban Amnesty thread on your forums have some god damn decent humanity to actually explain why you're doing it. Tell us how you feel about it and give us an idea of why we should even make an attempt to come back. You don't post three words in a Ban Amnesty announcement and expect anyone to take you serious I don't care how soft spoken you are. Explain it or go home.
2. Set rules that are fair to everyone and then if violated, they can make changes.
Rules are always going to be violated, you just have to punish those who violate them. The problem is trying to fix the person not banning them if they keep breaking the rules.
3. Stop forcing people to do things they don't want to do.
Abso-fuckin'-lutely. It's not about forcing them so much as it is controlling the strings so they have NO choice but to do it. Slavery is a perfect example. Even if you as a player are caught and enslaved you have to store your character? This to me makes no sense. There is actually a slavery thread going on over at the GDB and it's pathetic how much the staff stay away from the topic and those that have commented have made fools of themselves by trying to defend the policy.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Oct 22, 2013 13:48:55 GMT -5
The problem is trying to fix the person not banning them if they keep breaking the rules. I see this a lot... How... Would you deal with a player that has absolutely no regard for the rules whatsoever? For instance, if you were a staffer in Armageddon or any other MUD for that matter, how would you handle someone that constantly abuses the code and tries to break everything for everyone forever and just doesn't listen? |
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Post by delerak on Oct 22, 2013 14:43:43 GMT -5
The problem is trying to fix the person not banning them if they keep breaking the rules. I see this a lot... How... Would you deal with a player that has absolutely no regard for the rules whatsoever? For instance, if you were a staffer in Armageddon or any other MUD for that matter, how would you handle someone that constantly abuses the code and tries to break everything for everyone forever and just doesn't listen? This is a very rare instance. I probably would say I used to be like this but eventually I got over it. I think the big problem is encountering children who play your game. Arm to me is a game with an M rating. It's for people 18 and over and to be honest probably mid 20s to 30s if the best age group because you've got some life experience under your belt and aren't a complete idiot/asshole. Most of my shenanigans happened when I was 14-15-16 years old. Wow big fuckin' surprise when I was going thru puberty I was a little shit on a game. Well yeah. If staff took this into consideration they might be able to reach some of these kids. If the person in question is a responsible adult they have to have some sort of respect for logic and reason. I am a true believer when it comes to this shit. Talk to the fucking person don't just ban them. Everybody can be talked to. Nobody is a lost cause. |
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Post by slipshod on Oct 22, 2013 16:58:31 GMT -5
The problem is trying to fix the person not banning them if they keep breaking the rules. I see this a lot... How... Would you deal with a player that has absolutely no regard for the rules whatsoever? For instance, if you were a staffer in Armageddon or any other MUD for that matter, how would you handle someone that constantly abuses the code and tries to break everything for everyone forever and just doesn't listen? the same as i would with my son. first a warning and explaining his errors, second a warning with further discussion followed with punishment, third is punishment and removal of playstation and phone for a month. in context to game: warning, warning with karma loss ((or warding against karma gain for X months if has no karma) and if still no resolution, a term ban from the game. three months. if progress is made upon return than welcome and forgive. if they come back and continue malign actions than permanently banning handles the problem but as last resort. like all multiuser games they CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT PLAYERS. a game with no players is just code and wasted effort and the reason why commercial games employ policies to curb troubled gamers towards better behavior instead of removing them for good right away. saying HAHA BANNED! feels very good when dealing with perceived impudence but is harmful to games that require players to fulfill their purpose. it is why these types of moderators and gms are FIRED IMMEDIATELY if they cannot justify the bans that are handed down. it is an extreme detriment to profit to remove people without very just reasoning, even if the profit in relevant to armageddonMUD is perpetuation of the legacy it is still true. the velvet glove is infinitely effective compared to the iron gauntlet in dealing with often immature gamers. many want to rebel, but most want only to be seen and heard and can be made to enjoy the game in harmony if patience and respect is offered along with the assertion of authority. too many people want to be like every IT asshole in all industries and that is the source of most trouble in online game administrations. it is why many consider nyr to be a harmful influence and i think so even more knowing he punishes players for their negative interactions with his chars in fantasy land. this forum has made what was clear much clearer to me thanks to people speaking out. some people like anaiah have paid a price for speaking here and tolerated suspicions and still help to make the picture clear. these people should still be our fellow players but cannot because of the staffs you seem intent to defend minister. the devil does not need so much advocating as you are eager to give. i believe you are here for their cause and not the players. |
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Oct 22, 2013 17:50:19 GMT -5
Cool your jets, cap'n, I just asked a hypothetical to try to better understand Delerak's often shared stance on the matter.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Oct 22, 2013 18:11:24 GMT -5
I guess I just come from a completely different school of thought when it comes to this sort of thing. The idea that the game is nothing without players can be applied to -many- things, for instance, a restaurant. Mainly I'm having trouble understanding why someone would believe they're entitled to a "talking to" to explain why violating the "don't pee on the tables" rule is bad and shouldn't be done and if that would really do any good to begin with. In real life, a restaurant is nothing but a vacant building and wasted money without customers, but that doesn't mean you won't get booted and not allowed back in if you break their rules. I'm starting to catch on to the general tone of this forum, and I'm starting to see different sides of everything. For instance, Drunkendwarf's case. Forced storage because you expressed justified annoyance and a negative opinion? That's bullshit, no two ways about it. That should never have been allowed to happen, and is very much a detriment to the game no matter how you look at it. But then you get to cases where someone is knowingly breaking the rules, which I'll look at Delerak's younger years for example. From stories I've heard from other players to his own admittances on these boards, where he essentially breaks the "don't pee on the tables" rule, and then cries foul when he gets punished, instead of being sat down and talking. I feel much less sympathy for such cases, and that's mostly because the position is completely foreign to me. Which I don't mean this as a jab to Delerak at all, he seems like a pretty cool dude who would likely do very well in the game if allowed back in (not to say he hasn't been doing well with his sneaky alts  ), and I also think he's doing a good thing (along with the lot of you) by coming to these boards and speaking out against the legitimate dumb shit the Armageddon staff does. |
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), and I also think he's doing a good thing (along with the lot of you) by coming to these boards and speaking out against the legitimate dumb shit the Armageddon staff does.