Where? /r/mud? I frequest /r/mud and post there periodically. Also it looks like Arm has a subreddit but it's private. Why?
I pop on there every now and then too. They’re by some redittor name Ordinary Gamer or something like that. They’re obvious troll attempts, but they call out current goings on in them like staff cheating, etc. One of them was titled something like What’s a good staffer. Then they go on to say on Armageddon a good staffer does things for some players that they don’t do for others.
[–]King_BronnArx 5 points 28 days ago Well, since you mentioned it...
Yes, I did leave Armageddon, about a year ago. Yes, I moved on. Unfortunately, members of the community betrayed my trust in them built over years of playing and staffing with them, and spread around my contact information shortly before I had left. The people who received my contact information then used it to harass me. When law enforcement helped me identify who was doing what, I recognized two out of three of the names: one name belonged to a current or former staff member and the other belonged to a current or former player/builder. Law enforcement forwarded a warning to them and the harassment ended. And I'm content to leave it at that: I'm never going to embarrass people by naming names and I'm going to hope that when they were warned by the police that they took it as a learning experience about what could have happened if I was in fact as vindictive as the Armageddon community tends to think.
I had to abandon an email address and change my phone number. Overall, the damage was minimal, but it was a consistent annoyance that showed the community's true colors. It's a community that I make it a point to warn people away from, because while I feel it does have some shining stars in it, there are just too many immature, insecure, and petty people involved in Armageddon to make the effort to play and work with the community as a whole worth it. It's a shame, because I know that many of the staff put in a great effort to program the game and bring the world to life. But I also know who they serve, and I can't in good conscience lead a prospective player toward Armageddon.
You probably won't read this whole post and I don't really care either way if you do. So, TL;DR: I don't hate Armageddon and I have moved on. But I have a cautionary tale to tell, so I tell it.
[–]OutrageousPlayArmageddon MUD -2 points 28 days ago Thanks for your bs story Nergal.
Post by yourvisiongoesblack on Sept 16, 2018 21:51:48 GMT -5
I spent like 11+ hours reading back through some of the major threads on this forum today.
I reflected on a lot've my own posts, reflected on other people's thoughts, and burnt a day of my life musing over the rights and wrongs/ethical quandries of a text-based roleplay game.
I still think Nyr is was an asshole who was allowed way too much power. Compared to the first half of almost 20 years of Arm, I also saw more references to Nessalin, tenfold, than I ever did in my first half. Why?
Because Nyr was such a fucking asshole that, frequently, he needed someone to back him up. When Sanvean was staff, Nessalin rarely interfered at all because, despite her imperfections, Sanvean was at least not an uncouth jerk and was diplomatic.
I don't know if it's an age difference thing, or what, but she was at least capable of delegating/mentoring/recruiting staff (for the most part) in a way that didn't involve driving players away.
I don't think Nessalin has really relished having to step in and back Nyr up. It was never his job, and, historically, when you were having to deal with him, it was because you did something Really Bad. But when Nyr came to power, it seems like, more or more, he would just get Nessalin to back him up more and more often. No bueno for anyone.
This was almost never the case when Sanvean was the face of the game and stands as a testament to her ability to mediate without resorting to unleashing nessalin, a producer (but really, a coder), on a player.
Nyr was just allowed to run amuck for too long. So many problems could have been avoided had there just been a more diplomatic/less of a jerk to act as basically the end-all-be-all mediator of the game. But here we are.
I feel genuine sympathy for anyone trying to clean up the mess Nyr made. I would give Nergal a hug if I could, despite some of the things he wrote/people he banned, or anyone else attempting to legitimately try to repair things in the wake of Nyr. Because, what a fucking shit show. I have a ton of sympathy and support for staff members that are trying to make things a little bit better without resorting to the same heavy-handedness that became par-for-the-course for Nyr. He set a plethora of bad precedents - some of which Nergal unfortunately seemed to follow, maybe because that's what he thought he was "supposed" to do - and the damage to not only the game, but the community as a whole, will leave permanent scars.
Current staff members/players who look back on these forums and see example after example after example of Nyr's behavior and still think that he was mostly in the right? I simply can't wrap my head around it.
There is just no excuse for the excessive, unnecessary shittiness that happened during his tenure, and it blows my mind when I read, for instance, someone like Barzalene claiming that the only reason these forums exist is to "harm ArmageddonMUD." Given the plethora of examples of misconduct, I cannot see how a thinking person, especially one I respect, writing off attempts to staunch abusive behavior as "attempting to hurt the game."
If you spend 11 hours reading some of these threads, well, that narrative dissolves quick, fast, and in a hurry.
Surprised this doesn't have more responses. Thanks for sharing, mongo.
This is the type of spiteful and often wantan behavior from Arm staff that truly bewilders and pisses me off.
This is also why posters like qwerty and yourvisiongoesblack who come here to shill for the current generation of staff/Arm are met with a wall of skepticism and critic. Are things as bad as when Nyr and Nergal were in full control? Eh, probably not. But there are still a lot of bad eggs and the fundamentals haven't changed. "B-BUT THERE ARE A BUNCH OF COOL PLOTS GOING ON! LIKE THERE'S A MINDWORM, AND MAGIC STUFF, AND THE GITH HAVE DONE X AND X, AND THE GARRISON!" Nope. Same, old recycled bullshit that we've seen for the past 10+ years with a different face. And that applies to a handful of the staffers who are still milling around: uninspired, stale, spiteful and cowardly, looking for any excuse to lash out... Sure, there might be some that are truly helpful, inspired and good at what they do. But if they can't take the helm and lead Arm out of it's hole, what's the point?
Jan 17, 2020 1:49:37 GMT -5
mehtastic: vex is Shalooonsh confirmed
Jan 17, 2020 5:17:45 GMT -5
grumble: The plot, and dick, thickens.
Jan 17, 2020 9:53:50 GMT -5
High Sun Freeze Gun: I'm finally done , people likr Triste make the discord unbearable
Jan 17, 2020 10:27:09 GMT -5
Jeshin: Who is Triste?
Jan 17, 2020 10:31:34 GMT -5
grumble: A hater, complaining about haters, who aren't really haters.
Jan 17, 2020 11:30:21 GMT -5
grumble: I mean, there's no hate to it. If a bunch of people come forward with complaints like these, you can't just blame the victims.
Jan 17, 2020 11:31:09 GMT -5
grumble: If, as an effect of being revealed, it drives people away from the game, it's not the truth's fault. The truth is the truth. If you don't like the truth, then change the situation to suit the narrative in your head.
Jan 17, 2020 11:32:28 GMT -5
Jeshin: I've noticed there is a habit of dehumanizing this board and people who bring complaints as haters, goblins, toxic, etc etc. Yet there is normally very little dehumanization here of staff or players. Or is there
Jan 17, 2020 11:45:15 GMT -5
grumble: Fucking dehumanize the world. We're all animals and we do dumb shit. There is nothing divine about humanity. That said, we have standards.
Jan 18, 2020 16:15:32 GMT -5
MartenBroadcloak: Speak for yourself Jesus. Don't force yer hippy ideals on me.
Jan 18, 2020 20:50:54 GMT -5
grumble: Why do you not bow, plebian?
Jan 19, 2020 15:27:29 GMT -5
grumble: *farts loudly*
Jan 23, 2020 3:35:08 GMT -5
pinkerdlu: degenerates like you belong on a cross
Jan 25, 2020 22:36:38 GMT -5